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Rachel
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 Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:21 am Post subject: Negativity... |
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...is it really all that bad?
I thought it might be interesting to start a thread on negativity, cos there’s so much of it about, I wondered if it’s possible to be negative about negativity. Would that make it more or less negative?
Does negativity just get a lot of bad press? Should we be less negative about negativity, and more, come on in my son have a cup of tea? Let’s be negative together! Dunk your biscuits.
Maybe like me, you think negativity is dire, boring, a tragedy and plain awful: it spews its nonsense all over threads, banging on and on about itself and how wonderfully negative it is and how negativity would much rather be listening to something else but it’s stuck with being negative. |
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RockitRon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:34 am Post subject: |
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It's bad.
And it's infectious.
You don't have to look far for it. It's here. All around.
With one or two exceptions.
So it's not all bad.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:53 am Post subject: |
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but without negativity we wouldn't know what positivity is.
All we see on the news /tv is bad news stories but that is what makes news
Personally I have a lot to be positive for but a few things to be negative about, but I dwell on the negative things rather than the other way round.
Time flys when your having fun ? so we spend more time being down
Not sure what i'm getting at though 
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ColinB
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| I think negativity is getting a bad rap. We should be more positive about negativity. After all, don't two negatives make a positive? So what's wrong with being positively negative? Let's be negative and be proud of it! |
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Rachel
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| ColinB wrote: | | I think negativity is getting a bad rap. We should be more positive about negativity. After all, don't two negatives make a positive? So what's wrong with being positively negative? Let's be negative and be proud of it! |
I'm going to be negative , two negatives only make a positive if you multiply them together- just adding them together makes it more negative. So, unless you want to have babies with some of the other negativity, it looks like it's going to be a steep downhill slope for negativity. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:32 am Post subject: |
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There's nothing wrong with negativity per se if people are genuinely unhappy about individual things in life
Its often best to get things off your chest
However what is bad is negativity for its own sake without any justifiable reason
I think a lot of users go on forums and Twitter etc to express their dissatisfaction with lots of things in life but that doesn't mean that there are not things that they feel positive about
Its the old story of only bad news making the headlines whilst good news tends to be ignored in our society which may not be a good thing but it seems to be a fact of life
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Rachel
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| There is no justifiable reason to be negative about a radio show, with all the bad things in life to worry about, moaning about a radio show is petty and extravagant to the extreme: it shows just how good life must be for those moaning. If I was cold, hungry, homeless, repressed, abused, raped, robbed, bankrupt, flooded out, kidnapped, murdered, redundant, abandoned, alone or on the edge of despair, I’d be happy to listen to any Radio 2 show in the comfort of a warm home. With freedom comes responsibility: being free to moan doesn’t mean that you should. It’s bad for the world. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Rachel wrote: | | There is no justifiable reason to be negative about a radio show, with all the bad things in life to worry about, moaning about a radio show is petty and extravagant to the extreme: it shows just how good life must be for those moaning. If I was cold, hungry, homeless, repressed, abused, raped, robbed, bankrupt, flooded out, kidnapped, murdered, redundant, abandoned, alone or on the edge of despair, I’d be happy to listen to any Radio 2 show in the comfort of a warm home. With freedom comes responsibility: being free to moan doesn’t mean that you should. It’s bad for the world. |
Thank you Rachel. I feel better for reading that. From now on, I should accept that Mr. Shennan is free to do with our hard-earned cash just what he pleases! |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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Colin the way I look at it is that if you are on a forum specifically about Radio 2 or any other station for that matter it is perfectly reasonable to moan about those things you dislike and praise that which you like about that Radio station
After all that is what the forum is all about and why it exists so there is nothing wrong in behaving in that way
If on the other hand you were on a forum on the subject of third world hunger it would obviously be off topic and inappropriate to be moaning about whatever may or may not happen on Radio 2 and in fact it would be insulting and would debase the serious subject matter up for discussion
Just because there are some very bad things which happen to people in the world does not mean that one can't moan about the relatively less serious things in life as long as you remember that everything is relative in importance
After all its no consolation to someone who has just been told by the doctor they have one year to live to think
'Oh how lucky I am there are people who will be dying tomorrow'
Moaning is very much a personal thing and we all moan about different things but its just part of life and has always gone on and probably always will
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| ColinB wrote: | | Thank you Rachel. I feel better for reading that. From now on, I should accept that Mr. Shennan is free to do with our hard-earned cash just what he pleases! |
Yay! You see, it works! I can feel the warmth of your happiness from here, I expect it's like a huge weight has been lifted from your shoulders- and now you are free from the weighty burden of negativity. |
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| Rachel wrote: | | Yay! You see, it works! I can feel the warmth of your happiness from here, I expect it's like a huge weight has been lifted from your shoulders- and now you are free from the weighty burden of negativity. |
Something's happening. I don't like it. I'm worried, now. My better half has the afternoon off work and somehow I've agreed to go "shopping" (only women can define that word with any apparent accuracy) with her. Still, there's a lining to every silver cloud, and out of every negative comes a positive, out of chaos comes order........ etc etc., basically because there's a large Apple Store close by those places in which she does her "shopping" (another use of a word I don't actually understand). I'll no doubt find myself in there. (No, I don't mean find myself in a sort of deep, philosophical sense, I just mean, er, well.... whatever. You know what I mean. I know what you're like, Rachel!).
So, I'll do some "shopping" for things I can't afford in the Apple Store. Isn't that effectively what all these women-types do in Debenhams, Next, New Look, etc etc.?
What's good for the goose...  Positivity rocks! |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing wrong with negativity when there is nothing good to say about something.
Unfortunately these days there isn't much good coming out of Radio 2 IMHO anyway.
Would you rather we said 'ooh it's all wonderful' when it most definitely isn't?
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Helen May wrote: | Would you rather we said 'ooh it's all wonderful' when it most definitely isn't?
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No, Helen, I'd rather you found something that you do like and then listen to and enjoy that but don't diss Radio 2 just because it doesn't fit with your liking anymore- lots of people do like it, perhaps it's those who don't who are out of step or just don't get it. When I see posts saying. " I don't listen to Radio 2 anymore" then I think, why are you here? Anything else those people say is pointless cos it's not based on having listened to the subject matter. It would be like me joining Brighton Football Club Forum and posting, "I don't like Football, I've never watched Brighton play but I think all your players are rubbish and your manager is on a different planet- bring in a few Cricket Players then I might watch a game." |
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I don't think I'm the only one to feel this way Rachel and sadly there isn't anything else that is any better. So I'm sorry but I'll continue to say if I don't like something on Radio 2.
Surely it shows that something is wrong when so many of us are turning our backs on the station that is supposed to be for us?
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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I completely agree Helen
After all what on earth is the point of having a forum on the subject of Radio 2 if anyone who criticises anything is accused of creating negativity
We might as well just close the forum down tomorrow
That reminds me of the type of totalitarian society which used to control the old Soviet Union but looking at it from a more practical view it would lead to a very boring forum if everyone held back from saying what they think simply because certain other members might not like it
With the way Radio 2 is heading I think there will be an increasing amount of unhappiness evidenced on here and the only person to blame is one Mr Bob Shennan who doesn't seem to grasp the implications of what he is doing
A sad situation indeed
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| Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | After all what on earth is the point of having a forum on the subject of Radio 2 if anyone who criticises anything is accused of creating negativity
We might as well just close the forum down tomorrow
That reminds me of the type of totalitarian society which used to control the old Soviet Union but looking at it from a more practical view it would lead to a very boring forum if everyone held back from saying what they think simply because certain other members might not like it |
Isn't what happened to the BBC Radio 2 / 6 music message boards towards the end?
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The BBC Messageboards were axed on the pretext of saving money but I still believe the real reason was because the powers that be in the BBC did not like constant criticism of their very well planned agenda to change stations against the wishes of the majority of listeners for reasons one can only speculate about
Possibly to push their pet favouries or maybe simply to exercise more power and control
Thankfully this forum is not controlled by the BBC so any comparison is not really appropriate
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | | The BBC Messageboards were axed on the pretext of saving money but I still believe the real reason was because the powers that be in the BBC did not like constant criticism of their very well planned agenda to change stations against the wishes of the majority of listeners for reasons one can only speculate about |
Yep. I agree.
| ruddlescat wrote: | | Possibly to push their pet favouries or maybe simply to exercise more power and control |
It's all about PR or, more precisely, an organisation's need to control the manner in which it's perceived publically. The BBC heirarchy is frightened stiff at what this pathetic government is likely to inflict on it so it's doing everything possible to limit damage to its image. Public messageboards are fine when the majority of posters are agreeable to what you're trying to do, but when such messageboards are full of negative comments and opinions then you have a stark choice - do something positive to make amends and to engage your target audience (aka "customers") or completely margininalise them and hope their negative impact on your PR diminishes. The BBC has evidently chosen to do the latter.
There's no doubt whatever - from the recent manner in which the MBs have been managed - that the BBC's senior management has been increasingly worried about the level of negative feeling towards recent programming policy and the changes this has brought.
Which explains why they've strangled the means by which people complain.
That's why we should use every means at our disposal to highlight the incompetence of those managing the BBC. It has nothing to do with "negativity" and everything to do with ensuring that the BBC adheres to the commitments imposed upon it by its Charter.
It's "our BBC" after all - as they used to say (although they've dropped the advertising tagline now, I've noticed). I wonder why? |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:28 am Post subject: |
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All i can say is Alex is back mon woo hoo 
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| Helen May wrote: | I don't think I'm the only one to feel this way Rachel and sadly there isn't anything else that is any better. So I'm sorry but I'll continue to say if I don't like something on Radio 2.
Surely it shows that something is wrong when so many of us are turning our backs on the station that is supposed to be for us?
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If there is nothing out there in the radio world that you like, then why do you think R2 should or even can put out things that you like? If there really is nothing you like on the radio anywhere, perhaps radio isn't for you.
Ten or so people saying the same thing over and over and over again doesn't amount to that many- still only ten. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| littlepieces wrote: | | All i can say is Alex is back mon woo hoo |
yay! |
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If anyone is having negative thoughts about the present weather. On a more positive note, at least it's warm enough to have a swim in!! http://live.mila.is/english/lonid/
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| Lord Evan Elpuss wrote: | | If anyone is having negative thoughts about the present weather. On a more positive note, at least it's warm enough to have a swim in!! http://live.mila.is/english/lonid/ |
Thanks for that your Lordship, I feel much warmer now. It is minus 8 deg celsius here, 9 inches of snow and still falling. No sign of a gritter/snowplough and our heating oil (ordered more last week) is running low, but what the heck Johnnie Walker's show is just starting and I have a lovely real fire burning in the grate! Oh and we have now received three Christmas cards in the post. 
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