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Helen May



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 3:15 pm    Post subject: Cover versions Reply with quote

Obviously timed to try and get as much hype as possible for the CIN cover I was rather unimpressed with the argument that all cover versions are bad as implied on the JV show.

For one thing songs are not always written by a singer and far more often the songs are written by people who do not perform. What about all the songs that came out of the Brill Building in New York and the great American songwriters?

To me it's been thought up by producers who only know music from groups/bands who write there own stuff.

What does anyone else think?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Aitch,
I agree, not all cover versions are bad when compared with the original (or, in some cases, the best known hit) version. One example for me is Smokie's take on 'Needles & Pins', I like Smokie's cover version better than the often heard Searchers hit.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer Jeff Buckley's cover of "Halleluiah" to the original by Leonard Cohen, but don't get me started on Alexandra Burke's offering ! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also agree Helen

For me Leona Lewis's cover version of 'Run' is far superior to the original by Snow Patrol and David Bowie's version of 'Let's Spend The Night Together' is far better than the Stones original- and what about The Flying Pickets cover of 'Only You'?

I think the Bangles cover of 'Hazy Shade of Winter' perhaps is at least as good as the S&G original and Tiffany's cover of 'I Think We're Alone Now' stands up very well compared to the original

Having said that I do think that most cover versions do not match up to the originals but as usual JV gets a 'bee in his bonnet' about some subject which he knows very little about and pushes it in an obviously non intelligent way - he should stick to news presenting rather than straying into areas where his ignorance is patently obvious Rolling Eyes - I just wonder what he thinks of Robert Wyatt's cover of the classic Elvis Costello track 'Shipbuilding' - or for that matter Tasmin Archer's 1994 cover of the same track - bet he's never even heard of Tasmin Archer

Oh and by the way contrary to what was said by Mr Vine Bowie's 'Pin Ups' album is absolutely superb Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

essexlady wrote:
I prefer Jeff Buckley's cover of "Halleluiah" to the original by Leonard Cohen, but don't get me started on Alexandra Burke's offering ! Rolling Eyes

My least favourite of Leonard Cohen's songs... have never really been a fan of it.
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I just wonder what he thinks of Robert Wyatt's cover of the classic Elvis Costello track 'Shipbuilding' -

I don't know what JV thinks about it ...I know what I do ... I love it..it's gorgeous.

Some of the best covers that spring straight to mind for me are..

Brown Eyed Handsome Man ~ Buddy Holly.

How Do You Mend A Broken Heart ~ Al Green.

With A Little Help From My Friends ~Joe Cocker.

Hurt ~ Johnny Cash. I will never forget the impact that video had on me when I first saw it.

Mr Tambourine Man ~ The Byrds.

Some covers,imo, don't better the original but are,in their own way, just as good...a few examples..

Lithium ~ Polyphonic Spree.

Only Love Can Break Your Heart ~ Saint Etienne.

I adore Hurt by Timi Yuro but was reminded the other day of the cover of it by The Manhattans... they do a lovely job.

I have also heard many live lovely covers on Youtube that don't always make it in to the recording studios.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always like a cover if it's better than, and different from, the original. As Becky says, Joe Cocker's 'With A Little Help...' is a good example, though the Beatles' original is also good. There are many examples of Dylan songs being really well covered: Mr Tambourine Man, All Along The Watchtower, Just Like A Woman.

Ruddles, I liked Bowie's cover of 'Let's Spend The Night Together' too.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing Helen's post about Golden Slumbers in the Richard Allinson thread reminded me of a cover of that that I really like ...it's by Ben Folds......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU8luUZsuLc

....which leads me on to 2 covers of another song,Across The Universe, from the Fab Four that I like... one by Rufus Wainwright and the other by Fiona Apple.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All, not been around for a bit, hope you are all as well as possible

Carter the Unstoppable Sex machine, probably the single most important band in my life, they were my first real favourite band and very political in their lyrics. Anyway they are about to have their last ever show and because of that I have been listening to their stuff again. They always had a cover on their B sides, a couple of my favourites

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two more covers that are (imo) better than the originals...Walk Away Renee by The Four Tops and Go Now by The Moody Blues.... the latter remembered after hearing it today and being mentioned on Angela's Manx thread.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually prefer the original recording of 'Don't Walk Away Renee' but I do agree that the Moodies cover is far superior to the Bessie Banks original Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's funny Becky, on the other thread you didn't know Sailing by Rod Stewart was a cover. Well, I didn't know The Four Tops' Walk Away Renee was a cover! The things you learn. Although I do vaguely remember Don't Walk Away Renee was played recently on SOTS.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schiz,
As usual you hit various nails on the head - Dylan covers in particular - Manfred Mann's "Mighty Quinn" and Julie Driscoll/Brian Auger Trinity's "This wheels on fire" spring to mind
and in response to your earlier post re "Lets spend the night together" by Bowie, please, if you can, catch a glimpse at Humble Pie's "Honky Tonk Women."
Mind you, I also prefer Melanie's "Ruby Tuesday" to the Strolling Bones version.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will give Humble Pie's version a listen.

I too much prefer Melanie's cover of Ruby Tuesday. Jagger isn't exactly the world's best vocalist!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schizoidman wrote:
Jagger isn't exactly the world's best vocalist!


Maybe not the best, but one of the best, especially in live performance on stage. I think his "Ruby Tuesday" was superb - and his "You Can't Always Get What You Want" was about as good as it could get in those times. "Angie" was tops, too. In my opinion, "Get Yer Ya Yas Out" is the best live rock album of all time. He was good on that too!

My wife's favourite Stones song is "Let's Spend The Night Together", largely because she got into trouble singing it in an end-of-term concert at her all-girls' school. I like Bowie's version, but the simplicity and gutsiness of the Stones' original is far superior in my opinion.

My favourite Stones number is "Under My Thumb". I saw them play a 10-minute version of that in the 1970s and it was sublime. There have been covers, but none as good.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone see Annie Lennox on The One Show explaining how her latest album isn't 'covers', I think she said they are interpretations Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schizoidman wrote:


I too much prefer Melanie's cover of Ruby Tuesday. Jagger isn't exactly the world's best vocalist!
Maybe so,Schiz, but his dancing has me mesmerised every time I watch him ... Cool Very Happy
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Anyone see Annie Lennox on The One Show explaining how her latest album isn't 'covers', I think she said they are interpretations Rolling Eyes

I didn't see the programme,nod but who does she think she's fooling?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some records are just perfect and should NEVER be covered ....Waterloo Sunset is one example. I've just heard Kathy Dennis singing it on Graham's programme ...my first response is why? and my second is why would Graham, or whoever chooses the records on his programme, play this version over that of The Kinks??? Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

becky sharp wrote:
Some records are just perfect and should NEVER be covered ....Waterloo Sunset is one example. I've just heard Kathy Dennis singing it on Graham's programme ...my first response is why? and my second is why would Graham, or whoever chooses the records on his programme, play this version over that of The Kinks??? Cool

Aw, that's one of my all-time fave cover versions. Updated without ruining the feel, with a light breezy arrangement and dreamy vocals - it's great! Makes a change from hearing the same old record all the time.

Ray Davies loved it so much he wrote the B-side for Cathy's original single release, and still says it's the best interpretation of one of his songs.
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becky sharp



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Robinson wrote:

Makes a change from hearing the same old record all the time.


I can never hear the original,and for me the best, too many times....perfection! Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Becky - I completely agree which is why I never listen to that annoying twerp who calls himself Graham Norton Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Becky that some songs are so good that they should never be covered, eg A Whiter Shade Of Pale, which Bonnie Tyler and the appalling Annie Lennox both ruined, and Waterloo Sunset is of course a very good song.
However, I really liked Kathy Dennis' cover. As Ian says, it's light and breezy and just nice.

On a related topic, the Annoying Little Twerp always plays a (not always very good) 60s song third record in and then makes a snide comment about how he doesn't like 60s music. Well, why didn't he play The Kinks' song then? (Because he's an Annoying Little Twerp, that's why).
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