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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:03 pm    Post subject: Nick Ferrari and Matthew Bannister on Newsnight Reply with quote

Good watch with Nick Ferrari and Matthew Bannister about the appointment of Chris Evans to Radio 2 breakfast. I think Chris Moyles and Chris Evans styles are totally different. Yes I totally agree they have to pay for talent, but not a TV celebrity to cover for likes of Steve Wright. The BBC are chasing ratings and listeners to crush commercial radio.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8243717.stm
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting discussion. I thought Mr staircase put his arguments very well.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Nick Ferrari and Matthew Bannister on Newsnight Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Good watch with Nick Ferrari and Matthew Bannister about the appointment of Chris Evans to Radio 2 breakfast. I think Chris Moyles and Chris Evans styles are totally different. Yes I totally agree they have to pay for talent, but not a TV celebrity to cover for likes of Steve Wright. The BBC are chasing ratings and listeners to crush commercial radio.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8243717.stm


You're a bit late with this Mark. I mentioned the discussion AT THE TIME IT WAS GOING OUT.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently, the Berlin Wall has come down as well Mark Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'd like to thank Mark for posting the link to an interesting conversation which I wouldn't have otherwise seen Razz

I agree with almost everything that Ferrari fellow said.

Although I'll admit to not ever having the thrill of hearing Moyles I wouldn't be at all surprised if the two Breakfast shows ended up sounding very similar...
and with a total cost of £80 million?? it's ridiculous.

As for playing different music.. well... it's just cobblers..

I still don't get how the powers that be decided to replace a format like Terry''s with the exact opposite ( which it surely must be.. I can't see Evans changing his manic style for the Breakfast show )

There really shoulld be a bigger difference between Radio's 1 & 2
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say that I find myself listening to Moyles on occasion; I quite like his self-depracatory style. I couldn't listen to him for more than 30 minutes each day but his show is certainly more of an attractive option to the insufferable alternative on R2 come January.

I'd still rather have a proper alternative, though.

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I agree with almost everything that Ferrari fellow said.


Yes, I do too. Matthew Bannister seemed to be covering his back somewhat!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was Bannister who put raided every Radio 1 budget going to put Evans on the breakfast show on Radio 1 I believe several years ago
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was Bannister who put raided every Radio 1 budget going to put Evans on the breakfast show on Radio 1 I believe several years ago


It was indeed. He turned the old Egton House (former home of Radio 1) into a bloodbath and has never been forgiven for it by many BBC and ex-BBC people - not necessarily because of what he did but the way he did it.

Edit: Simon Bates' autobiography gives a good account of it from his own perspective!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:38 am    Post subject: The Radio is in the hands of so many fools....Elvis Costello Reply with quote

So the 'Old Pals' act as well as the 'One Agency fits all' for Radio 2 is alive and well...Bebopalula...... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SantaFefan wrote:


I agree with almost everything that Ferrari fellow said.

Although I'll admit to not ever having the thrill of hearing Moyles I wouldn't be at all surprised if the two Breakfast shows ended up sounding very similar...
and with a total cost of £80 million?? it's ridiculous.

As for playing different music.. well... it's just cobblers..

I still don't get how the powers that be decided to replace a format like Terry''s with the exact opposite ( which it surely must be.. I can't see Evans changing his manic style for the Breakfast show )

There really shoulld be a bigger difference between Radio's 1 & 2



I agreed with Ferrari as well. The two breakfast shows will be more or less the same when Evans takes over.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looked like Matthew has buried the hatched with Chris Evans and Steve Wright who now work with him on Radio 2 when he covers for Jeremy. It did sound like Matthew has some back room involvement at Radio 2.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
It looked like Matthew has buried the hatched with Chris Evans and Steve Wright who now work with him on Radio 2 when he covers for Jeremy.


I think it's more a case of walk into the studio, set up, do the show and get out. He doesn't necessarily have any contact with those either side of him.

mark occomore wrote:
It did sound like Matthew has some back room involvement at Radio 2.


It was more like: "I'd better be careful what I say here if I hope to continue depping for Jeremy Vine"!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

colby wrote:


It was more like: "I'd better be careful what I say here if I hope to continue depping for Jeremy Vine"!


That's what I thought as well. I don't particularly like him so I hope he's not trying to get his feet under the table of R2 by speaking up for the station.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bannister is better than Vine I feel as he controls the show better, but the best presenter I have heard recently for that slot was Clive Anderson and he doesnt seem to have been given a chance this time. He is very good in control of the debate and also very witty. I remember when a caller made a comment about a legal ruling and Anderson said no your wrong this is the ruling, the caller said no Clive Im right I know this to be the case. Clive replied oh ok im sorry I bow to your superior knowledge, Ive only been a lawyer for 20 odd years! It went straight over the callers head.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matthew is a BBC man and would back Radio 2. I can't see him worrying if he says anything he won't be heard on Radio 2.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Matthew is a BBC man and would back Radio 2.


He's a freelance, like most of them are these days, which means that he can't afford to say what he really thinks.

mark occomore wrote:
I can't see him worrying if he says anything he won't be heard on Radio 2.


Translate please, Mark? Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I side with Bannister.

Radio 2 offers a service which local radio doesn't. It does play different music. For example the playlist has Barbra Streisand - In The Wee Small Hours Of The Morning and Ken Bruce played Led Zeppelin - All My Love. How likely is it that Heart or Capital will play that?

I think the real argument is what is wrong with the commercial sector? There is no freedom for any presenter to do anything. No individual talent is allowed to shine through. Thatís a great record, the new one from Atomic Kitten here on Heart the home of 12 great records in a row!!!
How about before criticising Radio 2 - get your own house in order??

As proven with Geoff Lloyd on Absolute, If you put something decent on people like me will tune in! If you put The Just Great Songs complication CD on constant repeat with robot presenters we won't!!

And one final thing - I pay for a TV license - What if I want Pop/Rock music on the BBC? And argument that Ferrari and co seems to keep missing
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daz_M wrote:
I side with Bannister.

Radio 2 offers a service which local radio doesn't. It does play different music. For example the playlist has Barbra Streisand - In The Wee Small Hours Of The Morning and Ken Bruce played Led Zeppelin - All My Love. How likely is it that Heart or Capital will play that?

I think the real argument is what is wrong with the commercial sector? There is no freedom for any presenter to do anything. No individual talent is allowed to shine through. Thatís a great record, the new one from Atomic Kitten here on Heart the home of 12 great records in a row!!!
How about before criticising Radio 2 - get your own house in order??

As proven with Geoff Lloyd on Absolute, If you put something decent on people like me will tune in! If you put The Just Great Songs complication CD on constant repeat with robot presenters we won't!!

And one final thing - I pay for a TV license - What if I want Pop/Rock music on the BBC? And argument that Ferrari and co seems to keep missing

I agree. Radio 2 plays a far wider range of music than any of the commercial stations
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree. Radio 2 plays a far wider range of music than any of the commercial stations


That's true - although R2's daytime playlist should still be abolished and the presenters should be given more freedom to play what "feels" right. The 1950's radio trend was for a rock-jock never to decide what the next record should be until the current one is playing (if that makes sense!) in order to get the pace and rhythm right. That was adopted by programme controller Tony Windosor on BigL Radio London.

I was listening to our local (local?) Heart earlier and it's shockingly bad! When the centrally-programmed playout server tells a presenter he's only got 15 seconds for a link that means he's really only got 15 seconds for the link, and if he over-runs the next item starts playing out anyhow. Appalling radio - and not local either.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are they overspending on talent and letting the music side down? It's great having a TV celebrity to keep the shows moving, but is the music being rejected to chase ratings?
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Are they overspending on talent and letting the music side down?


I think it's safe to assume that the profligate spending on "name" talent won't now continue. The BBC management is now in a difficult position and due to the flak it's taken of late it will most certainly cut back on this stuff.

Unfortunately, it's been cutting back on production for too long already; the reliance on freelance staff (in operational areas rather than shop window) has now gone too far, but the corporation can get away with this because it's all away from the public gaze.

There's a lot of disquiet within the BBC by the actual people involved in production and administration they've made it clear they're not prepared to see the Beeb wasting huge amounts of money on deals with star performers when their own fees are being cut back. Staff right across the board are now being expected to do much much more for less money, and the knock-on effect is considerable. It will be interesting to see how this all develops over the next year.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

colby wrote:
mark occomore wrote:
Are they overspending on talent and letting the music side down?


I think it's safe to assume that the profligate spending on "name" talent won't now continue. The BBC management is now in a difficult position and due to the flak it's taken of late it will most certainly cut back on this stuff.

Unfortunately, it's been cutting back on production for too long already; the reliance on freelance staff (in operational areas rather than shop window) has now gone too far, but the corporation can get away with this because it's all away from the public gaze.

There's a lot of disquiet within the BBC by the actual people involved in production and administration they've made it clear they're not prepared to see the Beeb wasting huge amounts of money on deals with star performers when their own fees are being cut back. Staff right across the board are now being expected to do much much more for less money, and the knock-on effect is considerable. It will be interesting to see how this all develops over the next year.


Didn't Matthew raid the BBC budget when he was controller at Radio 1 and in the end they had to cut and shave a few out the door, well I wouldn't say a few Shocked I think the problem with this new controller at Radio 2, he's too ethusastic and over indulged the station with talent and it will back fire.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Didn't Matthew raid the BBC budget when he was controller at Radio 1...


That wasn't his remit. He was required to reposition Radio 1 and inject some new energy into it in order to counteract the ratings decline across the board. It pre-dated all the issues surrounding funding - we're talking late 80s, don't forget.

mark occomore wrote:
I think the problem with this new controller at Radio 2, he's too ethusastic and over indulged the station with talent and it will back fire.


The problem is that the decisions he's taking seem designed to gain the approval of his peers and his bosses rather than the listeners - with the appointment of The Insufferable Evans to breakfast being a prime example of this madness.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

colby wrote:
Clive55 wrote:
I agree. Radio 2 plays a far wider range of music than any of the commercial stations


That's true - although R2's daytime playlist should still be abolished and the presenters should be given more freedom to play what "feels" right. The 1950's radio trend was for a rock-jock never to decide what the next record should be until the current one is playing (if that makes sense!) in order to get the pace and rhythm right. That was adopted by programme controller Tony Windosor on BigL Radio London.

I was listening to our local (local?) Heart earlier and it's shockingly bad! When the centrally-programmed playout server tells a presenter he's only got 15 seconds for a link that means he's really only got 15 seconds for the link, and if he over-runs the next item starts playing out anyhow. Appalling radio - and not local either.

Yes, Heart are the one which constantly boasts "more music variety" and they play te same six songs all day. I prefer Magic.
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The dj in Memphis who played Elvis first apparently played the same disc on the sme show about 4 times after getting a good reaction from his audience.

That couldn't happen now.


Absolutely right. The big problem is that with all these so-called "local" stations the complete running order - music, ads, promos, idents, everything - is all programmed centrally using a running order template which is then downloaded to each station. So the "local" radio station is effectively run from a centralised source with the presenter/s having very little control over what they're doing. The playout server simply inserts the appropriate content for each locality in each station's feed and the presenters are given precise gaps into which to insert their "speech".

It's very sad. What's even sadder is that listeners are totally unaware of the extent to which they're being conned. But then again, maybe they just don't care? Is it a sign of the times or is "radio" dead?

BBC Radio Essex's "Pirate Radio Essex" weeks took us back to the days when things were done impulsively, and what a refreshing change they gave us!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand what you're describing Colby and I agree it's pathetic.. but, if a station continues to adhere to a duff format and play rubbish music then surely they would haemorrhage listeners to a point of no return?
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SantaFefan wrote:
I understand what you're describing Colby and I agree it's pathetic.. but, if a station continues to adhere to a duff format and play rubbish music then surely they would haemorrhage listeners to a point of no return?


Yep, you would think so wouldn't you? Strange people are responsible for managing our radio stations today - I get the feeling they're professional "managers" rather than people who are committed programme-makers. A good example of the latter would be Jim Moir (a man who consistently made room for Johnnie Walker wherever he was), but sadly they're few and far between now.
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