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mark occomore
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:15 am Post subject: BBC & BNP |
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The appearance of the BNP leader Nick Griffin on Question Time do you think it was right for him to appear? Was it right for him to voice his opinion
Were you For or Against his appearance?
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SantaFefan
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 11258 Location: top of the cliffs in Norfolk
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Of course it was right for him to be allowed to appear on QT, the last time I heard, this is a democratic country.
I was more angry about the mob violence and destruction by the public on the outside of the building!
I think it was purely a Nick Griffin bash from both panel and audience and not for a moment did I think the audience represented the UK population! all a bit of a farce really.
I would have liked Dimbleby to put a stop to the constant barracking and cross talk from the other panel members which wasted so much time.
The American woman got on my nerves by stalling the "debate" with her constant back tracking as to the origins of the UK population.... ice age?? c'mon! but then, I feel, put her foot in it by saying "her Mother in Law - a true Brit..." so what is her version of a true Brit? if Griffen had said that all hell would have been let loose.
I'd like to see him on again if only for the fact that his views may stir the mainstream QT panelists into speaking their minds for once! something this country desperately needs. _________________ Johnnie Walker read out my message on Pirate Radio! 13/8/07
I have heard how radio should be. |
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mark occomore
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:31 am Post subject: |
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Maybe Mr Griffin should have be pressed on other policies. Maybe he should have been asked about Postal Strike, The Ecomomy, The Banking crises and MP's Expenses? I think it would be good for him to be questioned on these in the future in front of a panel and TV audience. |
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Briant
Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Posts: 964 Location: Liverpool England UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't see the programme, but I think he and his mates are just thugs. |
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iwarburton
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 2133 Location: Northumberland
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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My hope was that putting him on the programme would show up the poverty of his ideas and expose him to cross-examination. This hope appears to have been met.
Ian. |
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Clive55
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1336
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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I was against his appearance on the show. The BNP are a fascist party in spite of nick's attempts to sanitise them.
I thought the show was flawed on several levels. Firstly, I believe Question Time should be a place to hear the major parties to debate the issues of the day- Basicly Labour & Conservative. I am even dubious about the tiny Lib Dems being given a place on every show.
I certainly opposed the Greens & UKIP being on the show.
So my opposition to BNP appearance is entirely consistent.
An added objection to the BNP appearance is that they are a fascist, racist parties. Many of their leading members have convictions for GBH & the racist & holocaust "jokes" their members spout are abhorent.
As to the actual show, it was entirely centred on Nick Griffin & did not follow the usual format of diverse questions, which was wrong.
As to Nick himself, I am non plussed. I am a proud Jew and anti-racist, & anti-semites and racists of all hues usually make my blood boil.
But even as Nick tried to make light of his Holocaust denial & swiftly backtracking on his odious quotes - that Hitler "went a little too far" & distance himself from his previous anti-semitic & racist comments- I found myself smiling rather than getting angry.
The guy seemed amiable, laughing, trying to get matey with Bonnie Greer.
It was imposible to take him seriously, maybe that is why I could not get annoyed.
He denied making certain abhorant statements, then admitted that he had, saying he "didn't know why" he had said that, but that he had changed his mind.
The guy is brighter than he seems, & though exposed by the other panelists, there was a danger of him being seen as a victim & picked on.
Where i think the other paneslists missed a trick was in trying to deny there was such a thing as an "indigenous" British population.
Of course there are people who are "indigenous" to these islands.
Admitting that fact is NOT to concede the BNP's asertion that people not "indiginous" to these islands are not British or have no right to live here.
Just as no one would deny that GW Bush or Mohamed Ali are Americans, they are not "indigenous" Americans.
The anti-racists should admit this. While Lenny Henry and David Milliband, for example, are not "indigenous" to these Islands, they are never the less totally British citizens. Admitting this stregnthens the anti racist argument, not weakens it |
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Toggy
Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 1239
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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I thought he came across as an obnoxious little sh1t, laughing at inappropriate times, denying he had said things when he clearly had.
I don't think he should have been on the program in the first place but I don't think he's done himself any favours by going on it. |
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Clive55
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1336
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Toggy wrote: | I thought he came across as an obnoxious little sh1t, laughing at inappropriate times, denying he had said things when he clearly had.
I don't think he should have been on the program in the first place but I don't think he's done himself any favours by going on it. |
I basicly agree with you. I was just surprised i wasn't getting angry watching him |
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Minx
Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 4088 Location: France/Spain/Peterborough/Tenerife
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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I thought he was pathetic. And for me, all the fears that had been expressed (that he might have articulated a view that might have increased his following )were completely negated. He spent all his time squirming under the onslaught, coming across as a complete ...er... can't quite grasp the right word that would be acceptable on this forum, and the performance amounted to zilch. As, I believe, do his policies. _________________ Minx
To err is human, to forgive - canine. |
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Number Six
Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 439 Location: In the village
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: |
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I was for Griffen appearing on QT in the hope that he would make a bit of an idiot out of himself. He exceeded my expectations wildly. What a smug, self-satisfied @rsehole. He was shown up to be a total intellectual lightweight completely out of his depth. Now he's complaining that he wasn't given a chance to discuss other issues, such as the postal dispute. Strange that, I didn't see hime even try once to move the topic away from race.
The only problem is that, as someone on Friday's Today programme said, "If you see three angels beating up the devil, you're going to start feeling sorry for the devil" _________________ I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. |
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mark occomore
Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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I think it would be good for him to be given another airing on TV. I think ITV or Sky may jump on the bandwagon and question Griffen because they wouldn't want to be left behind.
I read that he may appear on Radio 4 Any questions. |
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Briant
Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Posts: 964 Location: Liverpool England UK
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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I don't subscribe to Sky TV. I hear they are inviting their viewers to sign a petition for a TV debate between the three major parties. As Rupert Murdoch's newspapers are already backing the Conservatives, it would seem that he wants to be in control of our political system altogether! |
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Clive55
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1336
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Briant wrote: | I don't subscribe to Sky TV. I hear they are inviting their viewers to sign a petition for a TV debate between the three major parties. As Rupert Murdoch's newspapers are already backing the Conservatives, it would seem that he wants to be in control of our political system altogether! |
This debate thing is absurd. If it takes place it should be between the two main party leaders. Now the Lib dems' Nick wants to muscle in. The BNP's Nick will no doubt want the same thing. The SNP and Plaid Cymru want to be part of it, too. and UKIP. And the Greens
This is becoming absurd. |
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