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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said Rachel!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
To sum up, my constructive criticism for Chris Evans is this- when on the radio- do radio.


Absolutely right. And that's the problem - Evans just can't "do radio", at least not on his own. I reckon that if you locked him into a studio on his own and said "Right, there's a pile of decent music and a live microphone - just do a show on your own" he wouldn't be able to. He absolutely must have "props" of both a material and human kind. Perhaps it's a deep-seated insecurity that resides within his persona!

Rachel is quite right - he does appear to be the kind of person who is easily bored with "just doing radio" in the way that others manage to cope with very easily.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an interesting observation. I noticed that he needs sidekicks, and has always done so in the past - Danny Baker, and Will MacDonald to name but two.

I complained on the other board that he seems to press his team into a corner with quick fire questions, either to catch them out or belittle them in some minor way - especially in the case of Johnny Saunders, but this was quickly removed.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's safe to assume that any negativity towards Evans himself will be removed. It's pretty clear that the mods have been instructed to keep the forums "clean" and - on the whole - supportive of the Breakfast Show host.

Lonegroover will be safe, then! Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wink Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean I wouldn't be allowed to put this on the R2 boards? Sad http://www.pictogame.com/en/play/game/qFAbqyEGmnZs_my-kick-boy Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
Rachel wrote:
To sum up, my constructive criticism for Chris Evans is this- when on the radio- do radio.


Absolutely right. And that's the problem - Evans just can't "do radio", at least not on his own. I reckon that if you locked him into a studio on his own and said "Right, there's a pile of decent music and a live microphone - just do a show on your own" he wouldn't be able to. He absolutely must have "props" of both a material and human kind. Perhaps it's a deep-seated insecurity that resides within his persona!



That's a bit unfair. Someone sitting in a studio on his own playing records and trying to say something interesting in between them was deemed boring and thrown out of the porthole nearly fifty years ago. Every single DJ of a general show relies on props or interaction with people of one sort or another, whether with them or by the dreaded text and email. Terry and Johnnie certainly did; where would Alex be without Fred Slippage (remember how lacklustre his shows in the gap left by Russell Brand were)? Often the second person is beneficial - Radcliffe and/or Maconie are far better when Noddy Holder is around; Janice perks up no end when Alex pops in towards the end of her show.

Rachel is right about sticking to radio; he's done television, was flavour of the month, for a month or so, that ain't gonna work any more. The low boredom threshold is obviously an issue, but at least he's doing more than just signing books and opening supermarkets, and he's getting publicity for Radio 2 as well as himself.
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That's a bit unfair. Someone sitting in a studio on his own playing records and trying to say something interesting in between them was deemed boring and thrown out of the porthole nearly fifty years ago.


I'm not demanding that he should do it, I'm simply observing that there are many experienced DJs who could do it easily without relying on all the nonsense upon which Evans depends. My point, therefore, is that Evans couldn't do it even if his life depended on it. He needs his security blanket at all times.

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The low boredom threshold is obviously an issue, but at least he's doing more than just signing books and opening supermarkets, and he's getting publicity for Radio 2 as well as himself.


And therein lies my point: He's getting publicity for himself - something that appears to be his sole objective. And don't we just know it!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Someone sitting in a studio on his own playing records and trying to say something interesting in between them was deemed boring and thrown out of the porthole nearly fifty years ago.


Eh? Where did you get THAT from?

What was Bob Dylan's recent radio show? What is SOTS? What is Russell Davies? What is Alan Titchmarsh? What is David Jacobs?

I do that on my own internet show and my listener numbers go up all the time (add 10 a week, ha ha!).


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John W wrote:
RockitRon wrote:
Someone sitting in a studio on his own playing records and trying to say something interesting in between them was deemed boring and thrown out of the porthole nearly fifty years ago.


Eh? Where did you get THAT from?

What was Bob Dylan's recent radio show? What is SOTS? What is Russell Davies? What is Alan Titchmarsh? What is David Jacobs?

I do that on my own internet show and my listener numbers go up all the time (add 10 a week, ha ha!).


John


I did say in my next sentence "every general show". All those are themed, tightly scripted and pre-recorded with lots of information to impart, and they don't need or get the ad-libbing, live communication with the audience. (They're excellent, love 'em, don't often get the chance to listen to them)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I did say in my next sentence "every general show". All those are themed, tightly scripted and pre-recorded with lots of information to impart, and they don't need or get the ad-libbing, live communication with the audience. (They're excellent, love 'em, don't often get the chance to listen to them)


OK, but Humph wasn't tightly scripted, and Desmond's doesn't sound so either, and he is live. No gimmicks or sidekicks. Smile
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RockitRon wrote:
I did say in my next sentence "every general show". All those are themed, tightly scripted and pre-recorded with lots of information to impart, and they don't need or get the ad-libbing, live communication with the audience.


The shows John has highlighted are by no means exceptional. There are many, many presenters who could just do an unscripted, ad-libbed, off-the-cuff show with the minimum of additional fun and games that Evans depends upon so greatly.

In fact I can name a few R2 presenters who could easily achieve such a feat. Let's start with...........

Johnnie Walker
Richard Allinson
Alex Lester
Lynn Parsons
Janice Long

and I bet a few people here could add to that list.

And - think about it - isn't that what John Peel used to do?

So, I think I'll stick with my previous assertion that Evans simply can't do radio without his comfort blanket.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RockitRon wrote:


That's a bit unfair. Someone sitting in a studio on his own playing records and trying to say something interesting in between them was deemed boring and thrown out of the porthole nearly fifty years ago. Every single DJ of a general show relies on props or interaction with people of one sort or another, whether with them or by the dreaded text and email. Terry and Johnnie certainly did; where would Alex be without Fred Slippage (remember how lacklustre his shows in the gap left by Russell Brand were)? Often the second person is beneficial - Radcliffe and/or Maconie are far better when Noddy Holder is around; Janice perks up no end when Alex pops in towards the end of her show.



I think thatís exactly what radio is, Ron, itís quite acceptable to include texts and e-mails on themed threads in the gap between records as Alex does but that's still just a guy playing records and chatting in the gaps- thatís sort of what I meant- having someone else there works sometimes but not always- depends really on who they are.

Alex lacklustre? Nah, I donít recall that at all! Alex shines like a star- Aswad did a record about him! Smile


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Rachel is right about sticking to radio; he's done television, was flavour of the month, for a month or so, that ain't gonna work any more. The low boredom threshold is obviously an issue, but at least he's doing more than just signing books and opening supermarkets, and he's getting publicity for Radio 2 as well as himself.


I like any sentence that starts with, Rachel is right: Smile I donít think Radio 2 needs any publicity though. Hmmmm doing more than just signing books and opening supermarkets- yeah but surfing doesnít work on the radio- you have to go away from the radio to watch it on-line, which means not listening to the radio Ė how can promoting something that means turning Radio 2 off be good for Radio 2? Thatís like Chris Evans saying, Iím the only show worth listening to, when Iím not on air don't listen to all those other Radio 2 shows, you can go and watch me on-line messing about doing other stuff instead.

This thread is getting far too grown up- full of well-argued debate, we should stop it now before we get a reputation.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:


In fact I can name a few R2 presenters who could easily achieve such a feat. Let's start with...........

Johnnie Walker
Richard Allinson
Alex Lester
Lynn Parsons
Janice Long

and I bet a few people here could add to that list.

And - think about it - isn't that what John Peel used to do?

So, I think I'll stick with my previous assertion that Evans simply can't do radio without his comfort blanket.


To be honest, Colin, much as I like listening to all of those, they do depend heavily on text/email responses to topics and threads when they're doing a general show.

Rachel wrote:
but surfing doesnít work on the radio- you have to go away from the radio to watch it on-line, which means not listening to the radio Ė how can promoting something that means turning Radio 2 off be good for Radio 2? Thatís like Chris Evans saying, Iím the only show worth listening to, when Iím not on air don't listen to all those other Radio 2 shows, you can go and watch me on-line messing about doing other stuff instead.


My age and technophobia given away there - I thought it would attract a couple of hundred locals to see him live, same as the Wellworths opening. Never dreamed people would want to watch online in preference to listening to Radio 2 (though they could watch with the sound off and have the radio on, even through the i-player).

So, let me see then. If Chris eschewed all the OBs and online relays of his extra-curricular activities, and relied on his wit and texts and emails and the odd exchange with news and weather readers, everyone would be happy Question

Cos I'm sure he could do it.

(I'm about to shoot myself in the foot)

But of course he's a showman. Thrives on activity and playing to an audience. He'd soon get bored... then what??

You're right again, Rach. Time to stop.
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RockitRon wrote:
To be honest, Colin, much as I like listening to all of those, they do depend heavily on text/email responses to topics and threads when they're doing a general show.


The most likely reason being that the production format requires it and it's the Producer's job to deliver a programme that meets the brief. You can't deny that - if required - any of them could easily produce a simple, uncluttered show based upon only music and their own knowledge of the music played. And they'd probably enjoy doing so, too.

Oh - and Rachel is Right. Just thought I'd get that one in otherwise she won't love me any more.
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What got me about the show in a field is that he's playing to a tiny audience (in comparison to his dwinding radio audience) in the field and those watching online. I wouldn't have watched it anyway, but it's a breakfast show isn't it? surely most people will be eating their wheatie bangs and jumping in the car to go to work? I don't have time to do anything other than get ready for uni and jump in the car at that time of the day. I don't understand how anyone can.

But anyway tangent over, let's say he has a thousand suckers in a field and half a million watching online. They're happy because he's performing to them. What about all the other listeners? Something like 7.5M going by my generous figures? 7.5M listeners excluded from a whole show. How wonderful.
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If Chris did exactly what he does in the first half hour of his breakfast show (with a shorter intro of course) for all of the show, it would be fab. It all goes Pete Tong after about 07:40ish...
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Eric Shone wrote:
surely most people will be eating their wheatie bangs and jumping in the car to go to work? I don't have time to do anything other than get ready for uni and jump in the car at that time of the day. I don't understand how anyone can.


Hi Eric,

That was one of my main points on the post over there, when someone asked why people hadn't watched it! The beauty of radio is you can do other things and still give full attention to what is essential at that time of day. If you've time to gawp there is TV.

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Rachel wrote:
If Chris did exactly what he does in the first half hour of his breakfast show (with a shorter intro of course) for all of the show, it would be fab. It all goes Pete Tong after about 07:40ish...


It all goes Pete Tong at about 07:03 for me. It's the bit where Moira finishes stumbling her way through the news and hands over to Chrissie-Baby who then shouts "THANK-YOU-VERY-MUCH.......MOIRAAAA!".

That really gets me every time. And so I scramble for the "-OFF!" button.
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Rachel wrote:
If Chris did exactly what he does in the first half hour of his breakfast show (with a shorter intro of course) for all of the show, it would be fab. It all goes Pete Tong after about 07:40ish...


I'd agree with that. That must be the time of the newspaper "review" and sport. Too much chat, and there's enough of that in the house at that point, so that's when I switch off
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This morning's show was pretty close to how is should be, far more subtile ( to use the word of the day) than usual after 07:40, and it was that subtle change that made so much difference. They did cook the goose just after nine when they played yesterday's Happy Wednesday jingle but you know what, I like that- nothing wrong with a mistake or two now and again. If the R2Icon taught us anything at all it was that mistakes make us human, it's like a bit of stalk in your bag of frozen sprouts- you know they're real sprouts.
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