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| So, can we presume that they thought the appointment of Chris Evans at that point would make the situation worse, rather than better. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Evans Claims Wogan Postponed His Retirement |
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| kengeo wrote: | | He also seems to lament the departure of Lesley Douglas - I wonder why?? |
Because it was she who contrived to push Johnnie Walker aside and bring Evans over to Radio 2, that's why. |
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She's got a hell of a lot to answer for............ and yes as soon as Evans took over on Drive I knew in my bones that he would be Wogan's successor.  
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| I was gobsmacked when he got his foot back in the door with his random appearances during 2005, how humble he was! |
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All part of the plan to try to fool the listeners Kengeo!
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Chris was supposed to take over at age 42 - as predicted in the Rating Wars Threads by Orac ( the computer from Blakes Seven)- to line up with the answer to life the universe and everything, which formed part of the Rating Wars storyline but I didn't predict the Wossy Wobble so it all got delayed- nearly brought down the station- things were shaky for a while-but the good old R2Icon along with Captain Wogan steered the ship into calmer waters until a seamless transfer of command could be executed.  And seamless it was. I sometimes wonder if Captain Wogan is still doing the Breakfast Show- it's all very samey isn't it? |
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Rachel its equally bad both before and after if that's what you mean but for widely different reasons
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No! It’s exactly the same, Ruddlescat. When Captain Wogan was around at breakfast, we had a genial old chap waffling on about his life and the price of eggs, while taking the mick out of his sidekicks and the travel totty, all between great music tracks. What’s changed?
That describes the current breakfast show perfectly – so in a sense listeners have exactly what they wished for all along.
It’s only when you look at a show at macro level that things differ slightly but it really is slightly. The casual listener shouldn’t notice a difference. |
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| There is a fundamental difference, Rachel. Whilst the format might not have changed the style of delivery certainly has. One was calm and relaxed whereas the other shouts. |
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| So did Simon Mayo have to wait for another year to take over Drivetime - or was there someone else in mind to take over drivetime? I do miss Lesley Douglas has controller of the station. She built the station to where it is before Mr Shennan took over. |
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She took the station downhill before Mr Shennan took over and he is doing the job with even more gusto
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| mark occomore wrote: | | So did Simon Mayo have to wait for another year to take over Drivetime - or was there someone else in mind to take over drivetime? I do miss Lesley Douglas has controller of the station. She built the station to where it is before Mr Shennan took over. |
You bet she did. And she has a lot to answer for. |
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| mark occomore wrote: | | I do miss Lesley Douglas has controller of the station. She built the station to where it is before Mr Shennan took over. |
For 'built' read dismantled! And, as has already been said, the current controller is continuing this.
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I do wonder why this sachsgate saga keeps being bought up? It actually all started with the interview Jeremy Paxman did with Russell Brand for Newsnight the other week. I think the BBC can't leave the mistake behind keep dragging this prat back to take part in any interviews. They should have left him out of any interviews, because they are making Russell Brand into the good guy and like he's not done anything wrong. Any way brand is just laughing all the way, and sticking two fingers up everytime it's mentioned.
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Absolutely Mark
I have long said that both Ross and Brand should be barred from all BBC channels on both TV and Radio - INDEFINITELY!
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| mark occomore wrote: | | I do wonder why this sachsgate saga keeps being bought up? It actually all started with the interview Jeremy Paxman did with Russell Brand for Newsnight the other week. I think the BBC can't leave the mistake behind keep dragging this prat back to take part in any interviews. They should have left him out of any interviews, because they are making Russell Brand into the good guy and like he's not done anything wrong. Any way brand is just laughing all the way, and sticking two fingers up everytime it's mentioned. |
Rubbish. The Newsnight interview was a most illuminating interview (as has been discussed elsewhere) and I think it's perfectly reasonable that Jeremy Paxman should want to do the piece with him.
It's all in the name of "balance" - something that the BBC is required to do under the terms of its charter.
If Ross and Brand were "banned" from taking part in any further BBC broadcast, that could be construed as censorship - and who has been vested with such power? What next - religious leaders? Politicians? People whose political or ethical views are at odds with the state or "public decency"?
You need to think about all this before pronouncing on what the BBC should, or shouldn't, being doing Mark.
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Colin sorry to have to point this out but this is not a censorship situation as the people concerned would be free to go on ITV, Sky and any other non BBC media outlets.
The fact is Ross and Brand by their appauling behaviour have brought a large fine on the BBC which we as licence payers are funding and so it is perfectly reasonable for the BBC to say
'You're Barred!'
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| Just think what could have happened to Radio 2 if this never aired. Brand and Ross could have had different roles at the station. Something glad we are not all commenting about. I think they both would have moved on. |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | Colin sorry to have to point this out but this is not a censorship situation as the people concerned would be free to go on ITV, Sky and any other non BBC media outlets.
The fact is Ross and Brand by their appauling behaviour have brought a large fine on the BBC which we as licence payers are funding and so it is perfectly reasonable for the BBC to say
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I don't agree. Banning any further participation in BBC programming would indeed be censorship, and the BBC isn't allowed (under the terms of its charter) to get involved in such practices. Brand was - quite rightly - invited by Jeremy Paxman to give his side of the story re the "Sachsgate" affair and it's interesting how his story varies from the spin that the Daily Mail put on it. He has explained that he did what he knew he had to do: (a) apologise to Andrew Sachs and (b) resign from his BBC show. That's OK with me.
Let's no forget that I have a right to hear Brand's side of the story on Newsnight. Thankfully this right was recognised by the BBC when broadcasting Paxman's fascinating interview. |
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| ColinB wrote: | | There is a fundamental difference, Rachel. Whilst the format might not have changed the style of delivery certainly has. One was calm and relaxed whereas the other shouts. |
But that really is just a minor tweak, Colin, we all have a different voice, so we all sound different- that doesn’t make any of us bad. Different is good: if Chris does sometimes shout a little (and he does now and again), it’s only because he’s excited about having the best broadcasting job on the planet, working with a fantastic bunch of people and getting paid enough to bail out Iceland for doing something he loves. Not a bad thing to have on your CV. Anyway he’s been jolly quiet – almost subdued before 08:00 last week and again today.
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Personally I wish both Brand & Ross were still with R2. They were the only two presenters that had me crying with laughter. I always listened to Russell on listen again and really looked forward to his next show. I loved his relationships his regular contributors. I know that it is perceived by many that they did something terrible but the whole affair IMO was blown up out of all proportion.
Now with the exception of Simon Mayo nothing on R2 makes me even giggle.
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| Rachel wrote: | | Different is good: if Chris does sometimes shout a little (and he does now and again), it’s only because he’s excited about having the best broadcasting job on the planet |
I just don't agree, Rachel. He's not excited about is job so much as being overly excitable. I find it really, really annoying - and that's why I simply don't listen.
| Rachel wrote: | | Anyway he’s been jolly quiet – almost subdued before 08:00 last week and again today. |
"Subdued" is not the word I'd use to describe what I've heard in the last week in the short period between the handover to him from the 6.30 news and my managing to hit the "off" switch. |
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| ColinB wrote: | | Rachel wrote: | | Different is good: if Chris does sometimes shout a little (and he does now and again), it’s only because he’s excited about having the best broadcasting job on the planet |
I just don't agree, Rachel. He's not excited about is job so much as being overly excitable. I find it really, really annoying - and that's why I simply don't listen.
| Rachel wrote: | | Anyway he’s been jolly quiet – almost subdued before 08:00 last week and again today. |
"Subdued" is not the word I'd use to describe what I've heard in the last week in the short period between the handover to him from the 6.30 news and my managing to hit the "off" switch. |
Colin, do you not find people who annoy you a challenge? Find a reason to enjoy being annoyed being annoyed, analyse why that is, then use that to come to terms with your annoyance, having done that, you’ll find you love them because you understand why they annoy you, further more, you’ll crave that annoyance because it triggers your inner calm. Works for me. |
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| Rachel wrote: | | Colin, do you not find people who annoy you a challenge? |
Nope. I just turn my back, utter an expletive and do something else!
| Rachel wrote: | | Find a reason to enjoy being annoyed being annoyed, analyse why that is, then use that to come to terms with your annoyance, having done that, you’ll find you love them because you understand why they annoy you, further more, you’ll crave that annoyance because it triggers your inner calm. Works for me. |
Yes, Grasshopper................
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Colin I'm all in favour of balance within the BBC but when two overpaid presenters cost BBC licence fee payers £150000 I think they forfeit the right to put their case on that network
They are perfectly free to do so elsewhere including through the massive Murdoch empire
Why did they not offer to reimburse the cost of the fine in which case then they might have gone some way to earning some brownie points
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| ruddlescat wrote: | | Colin I'm all in favour of balance within the BBC but when two overpaid presenters cost BBC licence fee payers £150000 I think they forfeit the right to put their case on that network |
Jeremy Paxman's Newsnight interview with Brand wasn't a vehicle for him to "put his case", specifically; the Sachsgate affair was a side-point. Overall, it was a very good and balanced interview that was properly conducted (as one would expect) by Paxman and one that gave an insight to a controversial character who evidently isn't as he is portrayed in the likes of the Daily Mail. That's why I'm glad it was shown. |
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| Rachel wrote: | | ColinB wrote: | | There is a fundamental difference, Rachel. Whilst the format might not have changed the style of delivery certainly has. One was calm and relaxed whereas the other shouts. |
But that really is just a minor tweak, Colin, we all have a different voice, so we all sound different- that doesn’t make any of us bad. Different is good: if Chris does sometimes shout a little (and he does now and again), it’s only because he’s excited about having the best broadcasting job on the planet, working with a fantastic bunch of people and getting paid enough to bail out Iceland for doing something he loves. Not a bad thing to have on your CV. Anyway he’s been jolly quiet – almost subdued before 08:00 last week and again today.
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Rachel - can I ask what pills you are taking, as I think there are a lot of us in need of them. I totally agree with Colin and really find your logic seriously worrying. (Sorry to disturb your meditative state)!! |
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| Jill Hickman wrote: | | Rachel wrote: | | ColinB wrote: | | There is a fundamental difference, Rachel. Whilst the format might not have changed the style of delivery certainly has. One was calm and relaxed whereas the other shouts. |
But that really is just a minor tweak, Colin, we all have a different voice, so we all sound different- that doesn’t make any of us bad. Different is good: if Chris does sometimes shout a little (and he does now and again), it’s only because he’s excited about having the best broadcasting job on the planet, working with a fantastic bunch of people and getting paid enough to bail out Iceland for doing something he loves. Not a bad thing to have on your CV. Anyway he’s been jolly quiet – almost subdued before 08:00 last week and again today.
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Rachel - can I ask what pills you are taking, as I think there are a lot of us in need of them. I totally agree with Colin and really find your logic seriously worrying. (Sorry to disturb your meditative state)!! |
Oh don’t worry, Jill, no pills – just Cornish relaxation. It’ll wear off when I get back home at the end of this week. The thing with Radio 2 is, you have to love it and support it like our national football team, the DJs are just players on the pitch- we cheer when things are good, and we jeer them when things are bad but we always love them because they’re part of what we are and what we stand for. Many of us: our parents, grandparents and great grandparents, fought and many died in wars to ensure that we can say what we like about our own side, and say it we jolly well will! As much as I like the Chris Evans show, I know others hate it, but I love it when people complain about him, because every complaint, is a reminder that we are free.
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True Rachel but its also a reminder that a very large numbers of Radio 2 listeners are far from happy at what is supposed to pass for a decent breakfast show
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| ColinB wrote: | | ruddlescat wrote: | | Colin I'm all in favour of balance within the BBC but when two overpaid presenters cost BBC licence fee payers £150000 I think they forfeit the right to put their case on that network |
Jeremy Paxman's Newsnight interview with Brand wasn't a vehicle for him to "put his case", specifically; the Sachsgate affair was a side-point. Overall, it was a very good and balanced interview that was properly conducted (as one would expect) by Paxman and one that gave an insight to a controversial character who evidently isn't as he is portrayed in the likes of the Daily Mail. That's why I'm glad it was shown. |
Brand was asked to do the interview and put over his view about the sachsgate saga. I can't see he would have been asked and nothing about this mentioned. Brand did use this as one of his publicity stunts. The man is utter waste of space, and a school boy. His Saturday show was a time bomb waiting to explode. If this didn't happen, then something else would have caused it too be taken off air. |
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| Quote: | | The thing with Radio 2 is, you have to love it and support it like our national football team, the DJs are just players |
It's all making sense to me now, so Chris Evans is Radio 2's Wayne Rooney, paid a stupid wage and under performing? Best bring on a sub!  |
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| Rachel wrote: | | Colin, we all have a different voice, so we all sound different- that doesn’t make any of us bad. |
But the presenter of Radio 2's flagship show needs to have a voice that I can enjoy listening to. To my ears, Evans has no such voice.
| Rachel wrote: | | The thing with Radio 2 is, you have to love it and support it like our national football team, the DJs are just players on the pitch- we cheer when things are good, and we jeer them when things are bad but we always love them because they’re part of what we are and what we stand for. |
Really? I don't know what mushrooms you're on down there Rachel but can I have some please?
| Rachel wrote: | | Did you catch the Star Trek theme tune this morning? I laughed my little bed-socks off! |
Er, no. Really, I didn't. Honest.
| mark occomore wrote: | | Brand was asked to do the interview and put over his view about the sachsgate saga. I can't see he would have been asked and nothing about this mentioned. |
That wasn't the objective of conducting the whole interview, it was one of a number of topics that contributed to a very enlightening interview.
| mark occomore wrote: | | Brand did use this as one of his publicity stunts. The man is utter waste of space, and a school boy. |
That's your opinion, Mark. I think he's an immensely intelligent and perceptive bloke who knows exactly what he's doing. If he were a complete waste of space, how come he's eking out a healthy living in Hollywood?
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| kengeo wrote: | | Quote: | | The thing with Radio 2 is, you have to love it and support it like our national football team, the DJs are just players |
It's all making sense to me now, so Chris Evans is Radio 2's Wayne Rooney, paid a stupid wage and under performing? Best bring on a sub! |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | | True Rachel but its also a reminder that a very large numbers of Radio 2 listeners are far from happy at what is supposed to pass for a decent breakfast show |
Well you can’t please all of the people all of the time- that’s a fact. Facts are stubborn things!
Try one of the earlier shows on Iplayer or if you have a recording Dab record an earlier show. Alex (in midfield) is fantastic – a broad church of madness and mayhem – he lets anyone in and he’s lovely too. If you want Mr Nice guy, pop over onto the left wing, just change one consonant and go for Aled – he’ll make your teeth curl with his niceness, if you like new and different music go for Janice in defence- it’s all there- you just have to want it.
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| Regardless of what one may think of the Russell Brand, surely it has to be agreed that he was/is not Radio 2 material, me may well have got away with it on R1. |
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Ok Ruddles, I’m the Controller of Radio 2, let’s say I take your advice, sack Chris Evans for being loud and unpopular, and then pop, oohhh, hang on, let me think, ok then, Johnny Walker in the Breakfast Slot, I like Johnny, he’s a good old stick, he knows one end of a mic from the other… the RAJARs come in at, say…. being generous - 7 million- so we’ve lost 2 million listeners, how do I justify my decision to my boss?
NB: There was never any great leap in listeners when Johnny stood in for Wogan. |
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Rachel do you seriously think that existing breakfast show listeners would switch off if Chris was replaced by Johnnie Walker Simon Mayo Lynn Parsons etc
The reality is that the audience figures would increase because people like me and a very large number of others on this forum and elsewhere would then be able to join in enjoying a normal breakfast show rather than being forced either to suffer in silence or find some other way of entertaining ourselves for 3 of the peak hours in the day when most people are at home and able to listen to the radio
Its really not rocket science you know 
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