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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well there it is, the experiment has both failed and was a complete success.
The phone-in costing £1.50 for a chance to Disco and Dine with the Breakfast team made £21,000, thatís the success bit, so thatís £1.10 from each caller, meaning over the four days with heavy advertising on just about every show- they persuaded only 19,090 listeners, which is a pathetic 0.132% of total claimed Radio 2 listeners. So for all those who said (and I was one of them), you would make more money with low cost telephone raffle open to all- we were wrong. Obviously, getting only 0.132% of listeners to take part means something. CIN, spending a weekend with Chris Evans, or the whole of Radio 2, isnít as popular as they like to think they are.
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I would like to see a raffle designed in such a way that the highest bid secures Evans' absence from the airwaves. The higher the successful bid the longer the absence. Money well spent!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wishing to avoid the CIN hype today, I dutifully tuned in at 10.30 for Popmaster, and to my horror its not on - Why not do a celebrity charity one??

Back to the Ipod.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They never do popmaster on CIN day.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kengeo wrote:
Wishing to avoid the CIN hype today, I dutifully tuned in at 10.30 for Popmaster, and to my horror its not on - Why not do a celebrity charity one??

Back to the Ipod.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seconded. I'm fed up with so-called "celebs".
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm listening to Smooth all day interspersed with the odd CD and tonight I'll be watching the darts coverage on ITV 4 so I'm happy I have a game plan to avoid all of CIN
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I just rang in and spoke to Jeremy Vine on the phone! Couldn't have worked out any better. Very Happy

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Its a shame nobody is listening!! Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sometimes wonder if this place is the seventh circle of hell in disguise, some of you are so mean-spirited.

One of the problems with having members join from the old R2 messageboard is that this place is starting to look and feel just like it did there. A bunch of miseries. Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking that Rachel!

I used to have the same problems when we did the message board request. I tell you it's great to just get involved and take part.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
I sometimes wonder if this place is the seventh circle of hell in disguise, some of you are so mean-spirited.

One of the problems with having members join from the old R2 messageboard is that this place is starting to look and feel just like it did there. A bunch of miseries. Sad


only during CiN week Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel, I don't think I'm mean-spirited, just don't want to feel that it's expected that I contribute to CIN, i.e. that it's some kind of tax. Other equally deserving charities don't get anywhere near the same sort of coverage and exposure as CIN does, and I'd rather allocate the few spare pennies that I can afford to them, as I'm sure everyone else will be following the herd and dutifully digging into their pockets as soon as they are confronted by folk with a tin (or in the case of my office, one of my colleagues coming around with a collection box who thought I was joking when I said I didn't want to give her any cash. I told her politely 'no thanks', but she kept pushing to the point where I equally politely explained why, and the response was "well thanks for p*ssing on my bonfire'. Shouldn't have asked why if she didn't like the answer).
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cher, I said, some of you, I wasn't including you in that number. You know I love you Razz Charity is a personal thing, we are all free to give or not to give as we feel fit. It was wrong of the woman at your work to pressure you ( I think it's actually against the law to do that). CiN is the Beeb's chosen charity, as tiresome as it can be to listen to the constant please give us your money, it is a good thing they do.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:20 pm    Post subject: The auction for things that people with loads of money can.. Reply with quote

Kangeo, there was a Celebrity Popmaster around the time there was all the bother about phoneline rigging on competitions.

I know because one of my favourite guitarists, Steve Hackett, played against Chris Squire from Yes one day!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Other equally deserving charities don't get anywhere near the same sort of coverage and exposure as CIN does,


Sadly I think that's the under statement of the year.

How much would it cost another charity to have the air time CiN gets ? Rolling Eyes


I give to charity BUT not CiN Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm rather enjoying not listening to any BBC radio stations today. This could develop into a habit!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Respect to Steve Wright, good week to book a holiday - not as daft as he looks!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Jimmy Young was often on holiday this week as well!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems that if certain people had their way we would all be forced to endure listening to CIN all day simply to disprove the ridiculous allegation of us being considered mean spirited
I'm perfectly happy to donate to charity and regularly do but I am damned if I am going endure hours and hours of CIN just to prove a point
Some people just don't seem to be able to comprehend that many of us just don't like the concept and prefer to offer our contributions to charity quietly without fuss and in private
And as has already been pointed out the whole CIN idea takes much needed funds away from other equally deserving causes
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
I think Jimmy Young was often on holiday this week as well!


Yes, I often got the feeling that he couldn't be bothered with all that nonsense, either. I can't say I blame him.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people are so mean-spirited; they think that is cool, popular and just to be so. How mean is it to knock people raising money for needy children a couple of days a year? It beggars belief that anyone could be so nasty as to put those thoughts into words on a public forum. They do say a problem shared is a problem halved, perhaps that explains why some people on here, unable to shoulder the burden of their own distasteful thoughts, relieve themselves by sharing them with us. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How do you know there are so many alienated listeners Eric?

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I never said that there were lots alienated, I just said it wouldn't alienate listeners.

And I'm thrilled that there are all these people able to give to charity, but to my mind it's all a bit overdone. Whenever I see a charity advert on TV I mute it, I'm not going to be guilted into giving to charity. I can't afford to give so I don't. When I'm able to do so, of course I'll give to charity, but not just now. Whenever one of those irritating people from some charity stop me in the street to get my bank details and ask "how much do you care about the starving children in Africa?" I've resorted to shocking them so by the time they've recovered enough to try again I'm hidden amongst the crowd!

When I graduate, I'll probably go (after a few years work and experience) to developing countries and help test eyes - and potentially save peoples' sight. To me, this is the type of charity we should be promoting. CiN and many other charities (including the poppy appeal) work by celebrity endorsement and peer pressure and so long as you give your money away then you can go back to your day to day goings on and forget about it. Actually going to developing countries and giving your time and professional skills is certainly something which is more worthy of praise. That's not to say that giving to charity isn't good - it's excellent! But there are people who silently give more than "just money" with no real publicity, and they're probably those who deserve it the most.

And why should we be needing a charity to help children in need? I thought we were a "rich" country?

P.S. This isn't a rant at you Helen, just needed to have a little rant! Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have hit the nail on the head there Eric
There are probably many people who really cannot afford to make charitable donations for genuine reasons who get pressured or hassled into doing so simply for a quiet life and CIN is a prime example of this
Nobody is going to knock any person who raises money for charity but there are right ways and wrong ways of doing it and in my opinion the CIN format is the wrong way
That's just my own opinion and as this is a forum based on freedom of speech I would like to think that we're all able to express a view without being black balled but some of the comments on here do make me wonder Confused
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No problem Eric. I admire what you're going to do in the future as well.

I've actually enjoyed the radio that I've heard today, started with Ken Bruce and only heard bits of Richard Allinson and Simon. The total was down though as I'm sure they've hit the £2 milliion mark for that last few years and it was £1.6 million I think. Not surprising with the economic situation though.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To think that to do something one way, is wrong, it follows, that you think you know the correct way. So letsí have it. Let us know the correct way to raise £2000000+ in 5 days with a microphone. Iím all ears.
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Rachel wrote:
To think that to do something one way, is wrong, it follows, that you think you know the correct way. So letsí have it. Let us know the correct way to raise £2000000+ in 5 days with a microphone. Iím all ears.

Why not re-instate the 24 hour music marathon. Remember when it started at 7:00pm on thursday and ended at 7:00pm on friday? Why did they halve it to 12 hours? Having the R2 'night shift' involved again would surely raise more cash. I wonder if that £2 million was raised when it was previously a 24 hr music marathon.
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Rachel wrote:
To think that to do something one way, is wrong, it follows, that you think you know the correct way. So letsí have it. Let us know the correct way to raise £2000000+ in 5 days with a microphone. Iím all ears.


Why's there a restriction of five days? This is the problem I highlighted earlier, that people are "forced" by peer pressure and once they've donated they'll forget about it till they're forced again. If I had to raise money through charity in a time limit of five days I'm sure I wouldn't do it right before Christmas, the less people have in their pockets, the less they'll be able to give. Seems simple enough for me.

I have to admit I don't like phone quality radio so today was a big turn off for me, and I missed my pop master today Crying or Very sad

Not to worry, normal service resumes soon - after all, we've given our money and that's that for another year!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree Eric
Its not down to how much money is raised its a matter of individual contributors donating for the right reasons
I don't have a problem with the CIN charity but I do object to it taking over a whole radio network for almost a week when other equally deserving charities don't have this available to them
Plus as you say our whole weekly radio listening is disrupted and we have no say in the matter even though we all pay our licence fee
Whatever happened to democracy Sad
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Eric Shone wrote:
Rachel wrote:
To think that to do something one way, is wrong, it follows, that you think you know the correct way. So letsí have it. Let us know the correct way to raise £2000000+ in 5 days with a microphone. Iím all ears.


Why's there a restriction of five days? This is the problem I highlighted earlier, that people are "forced" by peer pressure and once they've donated they'll forget about it till they're forced again. If I had to raise money through charity in a time limit of five days I'm sure I wouldn't do it right before Christmas, the less people have in their pockets, the less they'll be able to give. Seems simple enough for me.

I have to admit I don't like phone quality radio so today was a big turn off for me, and I missed my pop master today Crying or Very sad

Not to worry, normal service resumes soon - after all, we've given our money and that's that for another year!


No ideas then, only what you wouldn't do.


Nice one Lee, maybe they'll try that again next year. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
I agree Eric
I don't have a problem with the CIN charity but I do object to it taking over a whole radio network for almost a week when other equally deserving charities don't have this available to them
Plus as you say our whole weekly radio listening is disrupted and we have no say in the matter even though we all pay our licence fee
Whatever happened to democracy Sad


The radio network wasn't taken over for the whole week Ruddles! They had a marathon on Sunday from 11 until 7 with 3 presenters who are normally on that day and today's marathon had the normal presenters, just with a different format for 12 hours. They played music which they do anyway so I can't see what the problem is. It was hardly a week of disruption!

Commercial stations have similar charity music marathons so Radio 2 is not alone in using the format.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Helen I take the point you are making
I know for example that last Tuesday Smooth had their Help for Heroes day and I retuned to Classic FM for the whole day for the same reasons I did not listen to Radio 2 today
That is not to say that I do not support either of these charities but I object to being treated like an idiot as if I am incapable of realising that to donate to charity is a worthy thing
It reminds me of double glazing companies who cold call people at the most inconvenient times thinking they are so stupid that they would be incapable of going out and buying new windows if they really needed them
Or even worse debt management companies
I accept your view that the actual CIN auction does not go on all week but every Radio 2 presenter bangs on about it for well over a week and I really do not think that the BBC should be favouring one charity against others even if it is their own pet project
From the people I talk to I don't think I am alone in holding these views
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I'm with Ruddlescat on this one. Thankfully we're now spared Wogan's tedious and unnecessarily repetitive drum-beating throughout the year, but CIN week is a R2-free zone for me I'm afraid; I took refuge over at R4 this morning.

I give to charities of my own choosing; whether you like it or not I prefer my money to help people in this country, not to indirectly subsidise despots in banana republics. The government throws enough money away in that fashion, it shouldn't need any help from me. I certainly baulk at helping the poor in India and China when their super-rich oligarchs own such vast tracts of British business.
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As I suspected, still no alternative ideas on how Radio 2 should raise money for needy children. Just more negativity and because, it seems, some on here have no clue, they gloss over their inadequacy by suggesting that Radio 2 shouldnít raise money for needy children at all because itís unfair to other causes! I remain staggered that a rational grown-up would post such views, albeit from behind the safety of anonymity, on a public forum.

No one has been coerced, no guns have been held to anyoneís head, no arms have been twisted, no one has been tied down and then forced to listen to Radio 2 while their pockets were picked, no one has died but a lot of cash has been raised for a good cause. If that upsets a few of the selfish, small-minded, negative, nasty people in society Ė so be it.
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I agree Rachel, plus if it makes (or should make) a difference to your views Ruddlescat and Ghasty Gnome, all the money raised by CIN goes to needy children in the UK.
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all the money raised by CIN goes to needy children in the UK.


That's one of the reasons I support it too essexlady.

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Ruddles, Real Radio and Rock Radio (Leeds and Manchester)also supported Help For Heroes.
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Some people are so mean-spirited; they think that is cool, popular and just to be so. How mean is it to knock people raising money for needy children a couple of days a year? It beggars belief that anyone could be so nasty as to put those thoughts into words on a public forum. They do say a problem shared is a problem halved, perhaps that explains why some people on here, unable to shoulder the burden of their own distasteful thoughts, relieve themselves by sharing them with us. Evil or Very Mad


It's not 2 days thought is it, R2 has a week of it at least and when TW was on he would have a month run up and then a month thanking people, and then we would get more throughout the year. BBC1 has been at it for weeks on the One show etc, Countryfile has a calendar for it and flog that for weeks. Rolling Eyes

Last nights show had all the 'new celebs' from X-factor etc etc, were they giving anything or just promoting their singles ? Rolling Eyes

I'm all for charities and applaud all those folks out there doing their bit but don't like CiN and it's seemingly monopoly of the airwaves. It just shows how powerful the TV can be. Lets keep CiN but lets not have the endless celebfest, dire newsreader performances, auctions we have to endure every year Smile
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I enjoyed Johnnie Walker's fund raising show last Sunday, yesterday I listened to Richard Allinson and Simon Mayo and enjoyed both of those shows too. I preferred listening to whole tracks rather than parts of them as Capital Radio used to do on their 'Help a London Child Weekends' in times past.

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