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graham b
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| I must confess that I found TCEBS almost tolerable yesterday without all his spots. You can mentally switch off a few minutes of donation chat a lot better than his megaphone and the like. |
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ruddlescat
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Thanks for the information Avid and of course you are right because Real Radio and Rock FM are sister stations of Smooth so they would carry the same charity appeals
I think they are all owned by Guardian Media Group but no doubt someone will correct me if I am wrong
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Ian Robinson
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | Thanks for the information Avid and of course you are right because Real Radio and Rock FM are sister stations of Smooth so they would carry the same charity appeals
I think they are all owned by Guardian Media Group but no doubt someone will correct me if I am wrong |
(Sorry) Real Radio and Smooth are sister stations, owned by Guardian Media Group, while Rock FM and Magic are owned by Bauer (formerly Emap). |
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ruddlescat
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Ian I do sometimes listen to Real Radio but not Rock FM although I believe it is an OK type of station but there again all these type of stations operate a similar format
I think there is another sister station in the Guardian Media stable but I can't remember the name
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Cherskiy
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| Rachel wrote: | | As I suspected, still no alternative ideas on how Radio 2 should raise money for needy children. |
Let's see...  
All the presenters devote 10% of their November salary to the charity. After all, they can probably afford it on their wages. Time is one thing, but the charities require money. If they're expending so much time and effort on the airwaves to exhort the listening public to dip into their pockets, so should they.
The auction is opened up to everyone on payment of a suitable entry fee - i.e. £1 - so it's more like a raffle prize than "the auction that money can't buy - but clearly can". (This is my biggest beef with the whole thing, Rachel.)
Stop paying India - a country with a space programme, for heaven's sake - millions in aid and divert it to needy children in the UK. If they've got money to spend on launching rockets, they could easily redirect that money towards whatever we give them cash for. Charity begins at home.... (Don't get me started on the tinpot republics in Africa who have traditionally spent their aid budgets on MiGs, T-55s, AK-47s and presidential biz-jets rather than actually use the money for what it was intended.) Alright, so this is probably beyond R2's remit, but I felt it needed to be said.
Get the presenters out of their London studios for a couple of weeks prior to CiN night - get them out and about around the country doing OBs (staff providing their services for free - it's for char-i-dee after all), doing mini-roadshows, meeting the listeners and collecting money at the same time. They could tour local children's hospitals, do some short pieces (say 5 or 10 minutes each) and broadcast them on the week leading up to CiN. I'd rather hear about the work that is being done to help these kids in hospital than endure several Mr & Mrs Rich B@stards pledging £65,000+ for a game of golf in Dubai with whoever's flavour of the month. Would said people donate £65K if there was no obvious reward in sight, or the chance of one?
That'll do for starters.... S'alright, Rachel, I know you love me.  
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Gnasty Gnome
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| essexlady wrote: | | I agree Rachel, plus if it makes (or should make) a difference to your views Ruddlescat and Ghasty Gnome, all the money raised by CIN goes to needy children in the UK. |
If that's the case, given the amount they purport to raise there cannot be very many "needy" kids in the UK!
My principle objection to CIN is not what or who they raise money for. I'm totally with Nod's comments, it's wall-to-wall brainwashing. Like Comic Relief, it gets a bit too much, and those of us who choose to opt out are pilloried as misers when in fact some of us probably do as much, if not more, for other charities than the majority do for CIN. Many of those charities would be delighted to be offered the same level of exposure; that's basically what's wrong.
Money might go to projects in the UK but I'm sceptical about the "neediness" of some; check out "Action Force Africa" in Liverpool which you've all stumped up nearly 95 grand for. That's an educational programme, absolutely sod-all to do with child poverty, ill-treatment of kids in the UK etc which is what the money's supposed to be for. And how many full-time jobs does it support? It already gets support from the Heritage Lottery Fund.
Oh, and +1 on what Cherisky said. Our steel industry is owned by Indian companies. I've nothing against Indians (or any other race) personally, but I'm damned if I'm going to pay out for what their government should be doing.
One last thing; I've copied this from the BBC site which tells you what went where.
"BCHA Bournemouth £73,011 This project will provide a child support worker to assess individual
needs of young people who have witnessed domestic violence."
Er, excuse me? That's what we pay council tax for! Social workers must think Christmas comes in November!  |
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ruddlescat
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Of course I agree Gnome but what really makes me angry is the suggestion made in a post on this thread yesterday that the likes of you and me and possibly other members of this forum who choose to use screen names do so in order that we can hide behind the cover of anonymity to post inappropriate comments on this forum
Such a suggestion cannot be proved to be true and is therefore bordering on defamation
I cannot speak for others here but the reason I use a screen name is for my own safety and security and not for any other reason and certainly not that suggested yesterday
I remember from the old Radio 2 Messageboards that on a couple of occasions a member who used what I think was his real name ended up having spoof e mails sent to various shows on Radio 2 claiming he was making requests when he knew nothing about them and it was pointed out then that had he used a screen name rather than his own name the situation would never have occured
For the sake of the record I am politely inviting any person who has posted potentially defamatory comments about other members specifically in relation to this point to withdraw those comments forthwith
I do understand that at times it is easy for individual members in the heat of the moment to go beyond what is legitimate but on a public forum there is always an obligation on all of us not to post allegations against other members which cannot be proved
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Gnasty Gnome
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | Of course I agree Gnome but what really makes me angry is the suggestion made in a post on this thread yesterday that the likes of you and me and possibly other members of this forum who choose to use screen names do so in order that we can hide behind the cover of anonymity to post inappropriate comments on this forum
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If you read through all the posts of the person who actually made said allegation, I think you'll find it's very much a case of pot calling kettle black! |
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RockitRon
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| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | Of course I agree Gnome but what really makes me angry is the suggestion made in a post on this thread yesterday that the likes of you and me and possibly other members of this forum who choose to use screen names do so in order that we can hide behind the cover of anonymity to post inappropriate comments on this forum
Such a suggestion cannot be proved to be true and is therefore bordering on defamation
I cannot speak for others here but the reason I use a screen name is for my own safety and security and not for any other reason and certainly not that suggested yesterday
I remember from the old Radio 2 Messageboards that on a couple of occasions a member who used what I think was his real name ended up having spoof e mails sent to various shows on Radio 2 claiming he was making requests when he knew nothing about them and it was pointed out then that had he used a screen name rather than his own name the situation would never have occured
For the sake of the record I am politely inviting any person who has posted potentially defamatory comments about other members specifically in relation to this point to withdraw those comments forthwith
I do understand that at times it is easy for individual members in the heat of the moment to go beyond what is legitimate but on a public forum there is always an obligation on all of us not to post allegations against other members which cannot be proved |
What a very pompous and intimidatory over-reaction, aimed specifically at one person, to a general comment.
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John W
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| Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | the suggestion made in a post on this thread yesterday that the likes of you and me and possibly other members of this forum who choose to use screen names do so in order that we can hide behind the cover of anonymity to post inappropriate comments on this forum
I am politely inviting any person who has posted potentially defamatory comments about other members specifically in relation to this point to withdraw those comments forthwith |
getting away from the subject aren't we ruddlescat?
Look, I just ignore CIN, didn't watch any of the stuuff (though I did see a re-run of the cheesy Corrie-Eastenders sketch), loads of money is going somewhere but I'm not going to complain about it, I just haven't got the time
If you want to vent your spleen about the destination of CIN money I'm sure there are more informed forums with proper data and records of where the money goes what the money does, and if you think some of the destinations are just paying middle managers big salaries then discuss it with them.
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ruddlescat
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Hi John
I'm sorry if people see this as a bit off topic but I was under the impression that there were certain standards that members are supposed to abide by on this forum and I don't think that personal insults are acceptable on this or any other forum
Obviously members are going to disagree at times and that is absolutely fine but when a member goes beyond expressing an opinion and starts resorting to personal insults against other members then that is clearly unacceptable
Perhaps I should have posted on a seperate complaints thread rather than this one but quite frankly I was so shocked to read the offensive comments I did not look at any other options which perhaps I should have done
So far as CIN is concerned its now over for another year so there is little further to be said on the subject but I would respectfully request that as moderator you should put out a general direction warning members to refrain from personal insults against other members in the future
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John W
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Of course, this forum won't tolerate severe personal attacks. Whatever attack you are referring to I missed it, and whatever provocation there might have been. Lousy moderation on my part, but hope you are happy just to move on now
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ruddlescat
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Yes John I have made my point and I am content to let the matter rest on the basis that members can read the comments on the thread and form their own opinions
All I can say is that I will never resort to personal abuse against any other member and if others cannot reciprocate then that speaks volumes about their standards and the type of people they are
I just hope that if we're all still here next year's CIN will have a lower profile on this forum
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RockitRon
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| John W wrote: | | Of course, this forum won't tolerate severe personal attacks. Whatever attack you are referring to I missed it, and whatever provocation there might have been. Lousy moderation on my part, but hope you are happy just to move on now |
That's because there were none, John.
In the four years this forum has been running your moderation has been exemplary, and there has been no change to that.
Four years, and this is the first that there has been a sustained thread of complaints by some people about the use of Radio 2 programmes for fundraising for the BBC's nominated charity for six days of the 365 in the year.
Four years I have been here, and I didn't realise until now that there must be some content that I'm not privvy to.
| ruddlescat wrote: | | It seems that if certain people had their way we would all be forced to endure listening to CIN all day simply to disprove the ridiculous allegation of us being considered mean spirited |
At the point this remark was made the only reference that I can find to meanness of spirit had been made by one of the people speaking against the fundraising; of those who support it one person had referred to "grumps" and another to "miseries". No-one had accused anyone of being mean-spirited and no reference had been made to a single person, only "some".
Subsequent to that, the only times that criticism and "personal abuse", to quote "ruddlescat" again, were made against a single identifiable person came in the two messages posted at 7.42pm and 8.31pm on Saturday, by..... 
We have all acknowledged that giving time and/or money to charity is entirely voluntary and at one's own free will and discretion, as is listening to Radio 2 programmes during this time, or indeed at any other. What some of us are tired of is all the repetitive bleating against those programmes and the people who take part in them, which seems to me to be rather churlish, considering that it does take up such a small proportion of time and does raise such a lot of money, none of which is lost to administration costs and expenses.
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Gnasty Gnome
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So what you're saying, Ron, is that because you and a lot of others think it's a "good thing" no-one else is allowed to disapprove of it?
As for it taking up a "small proportion of time", sorry mate that's codswallop. One of the few things I ever give Chris Evans credit for is that he's reduced the amount of drum-banging for CIN which in Wogan's day was utterly ridiculous. If it really was only for one day I'd have less of a problem with it.
You and some others may be tired of me and some others "bleating" against CIN. I and a fair few others are tired of the constant bleating about CIN. It's tantamount to having a collecting tin rattling in your face 24/7. |
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becky sharp
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| Rachel wrote: | | It is an odd world where someone who wins the lottery is an instant hero |
Only to their long lost friends who miraculously turn up after the event, I would think.....
The only Lottery winner I remember is that Carroll (sp?) bloke who rode round on quad bikes annoying his neighbours. |
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