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Helen May
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A 2 part programme starting tonight at 10pm with Pete Waterman. Could be interesting so worth a shout out.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00sbccl
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Helen, I'll listen to that tonight, sounds interesting.
My friend was talking about how it's a shame all the record shops have gone only yesterday.
While it's easy and convenient to download stuff, it can't compare to the excitement of going to Cambridge (in our case) to buy some new singles (or ZX Spectrum games for me) and making a day of it.
Then talking about what you've bought on the journey home which built the excitement up even more. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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I agree Gaz
Downloading is convenient but it's just not the same as when people saved up their money and went down the record shop,listened to several records in the listening booth and then choose one to buy and couldn't wait to get it home for the first play
After that they would put it on repeat play until Mum or Dad told them to turn down that awful racket
That's what I keep saying that life is far too instant these days
I know we can't roll back the frontiers of technology but I would question whether the average person is as happy as they were in the days when life was far more simple and exciting because people had a lot more to look forward to
The demise of the local record shop whilst inevitable is very regrettable and our country is much the worse for it
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Helen May
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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It's the talking about records and holding something in your hand that I miss. Many a Saturday morning I'd be in Windows (Central Arcade Newcastle, it's still there) in one of the listening booths or thumbing through the LP boxes. I used to like reading the sleeves of people I'd never heard of!
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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I doubt whether most people were even aware of the existence of 'Record Store Day'
Even if they were do you really think that a single day however well intentioned is going to turn back the tide brought on as a result of modern technology and life styles in 2011
We can all reminisce about earlier times but the plain fact is those days will never return however much we may wish they would
For anyone to criticise people for not trying to emulate King Canute just illustrates the mentality of some people on here 
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | | The demise of the local record shop whilst inevitable is very regrettable and our country is much the worse for it |
Although I'm sure Nick Hornby ("High Fidelity" - great book) would agree with that, it's not a theory to which I subscribe. I've always been a bit of an audiophile (making and editing sound recordings when I was still in shorts, borrowing others' tape recorders to splice together my own music "mixes" etc) and although I'd go to great efforts to set up a record turntable to minimise wow, flutter and hum, I would often despair at the imperfections of the mechanical recording medium that was the vinyl record.
I listen now to the digitally-remastered Beatles collection, which is the result of all the studio masters being lovingly re-assembled bit by bit and digitised at a very high bit rate and sampling frequency, and I think "I wish it was like this way back when".
I love digital distribution (for video as well as sound) and I for one wouldn't go back for all the tea in China. Today, the real problems are the result of the continued use of low sampling rates and data rates - both in distribution and also in broadcast transmission.
But to have a load of my favourite music in my iPhone's iPod section is fantastic! Technology? Bring it on......... I for one am much better for it even if nobody else is. |
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I understand what you say Colin but I'm sure you would agree you're probably not typical of most people on here
You have a particular expertise which many of us probably envy but for me there is a historical aspect to this topic and not just a technological one
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Helen May
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Shaky Fan wrote: | | How many of you did anything for Record Store Day? |
Not a lot, as there isn't a record store near where I live. I was aware of it though.
As you get older you buy fewer tracks anyway.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| ruddlescat wrote: | | You have a particular expertise which many of us probably envy but for me there is a historical aspect to this topic and not just a technological one |
This reminiscencing lark ain't what it used to be, that's for sure. I'm not really considering technology - I'm just thinking on an everyday practical level. |
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Helen May
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I wish minidiscs had been around in say the 60s/70s! I've loads of discs I've put together from old reel to reel tapes and cassettes editing out bits not wanted. Shame they weren't more popular.
Same goes for video/dvd recorders being available in the 60s!
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| Helen May wrote: | | Shaky Fan wrote: | | How many of you did anything for Record Store Day? |
Not a lot, as there isn't a record store near where I live. I was aware of it though.
As you get older you buy fewer tracks anyway.
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Ditto.
There was only one store taking part in Nottingham - it's a second-hand store.
When I looked at the website http://www.recordstoreday.co.uk/participating-stores.aspx earlier last week it boasted more than 200 participants, swollen by entries from That's Entertainment Ltd, which is a chain of stores selling overstocks and reconditioned CDs/DVDs at bargain-bin prices. They did at least weed that lot out.
Like Helen I much prefer to have something tangible in my hand, but I recognise that, just as CDs were so much more convenient than LPs, so downloads, played through your PC, mp3 player or phone are so much more convenient than loading your hifi CD player. There is a compromise on sound quality (just as there was with CDs) but most people are prepared to accept it.
I do download, from itunes or Amazon. Usually it's European pop or American country tracks which are otherwise available only on expensive import CDs, or just not available in the physical form at all. You also quite often find that titles from deleted CDs will still be available as downloads.
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Fred
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I think this programme was originally broadcast last year, but I missed it and so listened last night. It was quite interesting!
I have to say that, while downloading is useful, I prefer to have CDs/tapes/records etc. and copy them to PC as a backup - that way if anything happens to my computer I haven't lost all my music.
And I still pride myself with being one of the only ones to turn up at the studio of my local community radio station with a box of CDs instead of a laptop... 
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| Fred wrote: |
I have to say that, while downloading is useful, I prefer to have CDs/tapes/records etc. and copy them to PC as a backup - that way if anything happens to my computer I haven't lost all my music. |
I've been flogging most of my CDs. They take up too much space. I still have 400+ LPs though!!! 
As for backups, I have two running "Time Machine" backups of everything on my Macs - including my main iTunes collection. |
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RockitRon
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Of course, copying your LPs/CDs to PC and/or mp3 player is "file shifting" and technically illegal (just as taping them was).
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| RockitRon wrote: | | Of course, copying your LPs/CDs to PC and/or mp3 player is "file shifting" and technically illegal (just as taping them was). |
Although the law hasn't changed, the practice of chasing people who make copies "for personal use" has changed in that the industry now recognises that this is going to continue while they like it or not so it's not worth pursuing.
I went to a conference in which a person from MCPS gave a presentation in which he basically said that home users ripping content into their computers and other media devices is very low on their list of priorities.
They could, of course, stop this happening if they really wanted to in a great many cases by simply applying a heavy DRM encryption to discs in the same way that Apple does with media assets bought through the Apple Store which puts a limit on distribution.
The need to do so diminishes as sales of "hard copy" assets diminishes as more and more material is acquired as digital downloads, of course.
I'm working on a series of software tutorial videos at the moment; previously this kind of product has been available on DVD (adding hugely to our costs) but from now on we're offering them for download only. If clients want them as DVD (Data) files they'll have to pay a premium. That's the way everything is going.... |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| RockitRon wrote: | | Of course, copying your LPs/CDs to PC and/or mp3 player is "file shifting" and technically illegal (just as taping them was). |
They Might Be Giants are bringing out a vinyl EP later this year and say we can do what we like with it just as long as we don't upload to fileshare sites! |
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| It's interesting that vinyl is gaining popularity - particularly among artists who probably weren't around when it was the standard medium of distribution. I know a band who wants to release on vinyl as well as CD and download - but are finding that the cost of cutting the best quality masters is prohibitive. Not surprising, really, considering that the skills required to do this are disappearing fast. |
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On the subject of Vinyl releases I read today that if you are lucky enough to own a vinyl copy of the Sex Pistols original single 'God Save the Queen' on A and M records this is now worth anything up to £8000
Apparently when the band were sacked by the label the vast majority of copies of the single were destroyed which means you're sitting pretty if you happen to have one
Keep scouring those boot markets folks - perhaps the Royal Wedding next week might be a lucky omen 
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| ruddlescat wrote: | | On the subject of Vinyl releases I read today that if you are lucky enough to own a vinyl copy of the Sex Pistols original single 'God Save the Queen' on A and M records this is now worth anything up to £8000 |
That's correct. I have a Virgin label copy, but unfortunately they're in plentiful supply on the collectors' market. |
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More realistically for most people a mint vinyl copy of Bowie's 'Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars' is now worth up to £40
I used to have one before my whole vinyl collection got half inched a few years ago but I've still got it on CD
I wonder if I'm too late to put in an insurance claim 
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