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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:10 pm    Post subject: Richard Allinson Dropped Reply with quote

according to a tweet from the Guardian media journo
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, Mark's done a thread about it too but the changes are:

Midnight-3am: Janice Long Monday-Thursday, Alex Lester Friday-Saturday
3am-5am Monday-Friday: Repeats! (Sounds of the 60s, 70s, 80s etc)
3am-6am Saturday: Huey Morgan
3am-6am Sunday: Bob Harris

Richard Allinson gone altogether, although will continue to deputise.

It's clear this is all because of money but I'm staggered they would rather let Richard Allinson leave while still employing Anneka Rice.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Robinson wrote:
Yep, Mark's done a thread about it too but the changes are:

Midnight-3am: Janice Long Monday-Thursday, Alex Lester Friday-Saturday
3am-5am Monday-Friday: Repeats! (Sounds of the 60s, 70s, 80s etc)
3am-6am Saturday: Huey Morgan
3am-6am Sunday: Bob Harris

Richard Allinson gone altogether, although will continue to deputise.

It's clear this is all because of money but I'm staggered they would rather let Richard Allinson leave while still employing Anneka Rice.


Strange.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard must be happy just floating around at Radio 2. Probably cheaper having him to cover shows, instead of celebrities?

I suppose Automation is a way forward, but Global Stations have live shows.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But where are the deputising opportunities ? Sara Cox deputises for VF ,Evans won't have RA as he is to much of a popular threat so Zoe does it, the Ken Bruce slot is saved for the ladies i.e. Claudia Winkleman. The JV slot needs a news journalist so Paddy O'Connell steps in. Lisa T seems to be the deputy for Simon Mayo and I cannot see RA deputising for Jo Whiley. That leaves Steve Wright- well RA would be better than the present incumbent I guess.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Richard must be happy just floating around at Radio 2. Probably cheaper having him to cover shows, instead of celebrities?


Why would he be happy floating around? Would you be?

mark occomore wrote:
I suppose Automation is a way forward, but Global Stations have live shows.


Automation is the way it is, not the way forward. And the "live" shows on Global stations are only live up to a point. The bits where presenters open their gobs for x seconds between pre-programmed tracks (the same old same old, too) are the live bits. Commercials, station promos and interminable competition trails is not my idea of "live" radio. Thank heavens for The Lady!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But where are the deputising opportunities ? Sara Cox deputises for VF ,Evans won't have RA as he is to much of a popular threat so Zoe does it, the Ken Bruce slot is saved for the ladies i.e. Claudia Winkleman. The JV slot needs a news journalist so Paddy O'Connell steps in. Lisa T seems to be the deputy for Simon Mayo and I cannot see RA deputising for Jo Whiley. That leaves Steve Wright- well RA would be better than the present incumbent I guess.


Possibility with budget cut which is obviously the ' excuse' why radio 2 had to go this way, that celebrities will be no more? :-/
Surely cutting Chris Evans salary would save a bit - we won't go there.Wink
They could have axed early breakfast and put Alex on from 4-6.30am?
Interesting when Sounds of the 80's is aired - then Sara covers Early Breakfast.

I suppose there could have been lots are easy options than just repeats!? I suppose it keep's the music fans happy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
I suppose it keep's the music fans happy.

It keeps happy the sort of people who like to listen to the music Radio 2 plays in the daytime, but if you've any sort of desire to hear something different - then tough! The "specialist" shows have been moved further and further back until they are now in the middle of the morning.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unbelievable...... Rolling Eyes Confused Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Possibility with budget cut which is obviously the ' excuse' why radio 2 had to go this way, that celebrities will be no more? :-/

The real cut is to imaginative programming. There isn't much of that on R2 these days. In fact, there's more to be found on Radio 4!

mark occomore wrote:
Surely cutting Chris Evans salary would save a bit - we won't go there.Wink


I think pigs will fly sooner.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colin wrote:

mark occomore wrote:
Surely cutting Chris Evans salary would save a bit - we won't go there.Wink


I think pigs will fly sooner.

I can't help wondering how much money would be saved if they got rid of Evans altogether and replaced him with Richard Allinson. Last Christmas / New Year period brought back to me how much I've missed Alex Lester's wit (that's how to do 'zany' without being an annoying berk) in the early mornings, so why not do away with early breakfast, give Janice back her third hour & put on Alex Lester after her instead, followed, of course by Richard.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Utterly shambolic Radio 2.

For the UK's leading radio station to drop away from the remit to broadcast live/new material 24 hours a day is an admission of abject management failure. I don't believe this change will persist - it may be that someone is making a political point.

I have to wonder what the incremental cost is of having someone in a studio playing music for a couple of hours versus the cost of broadcasting a repeat show.

In this age of iPlayer, repeats of recent programmes have almost no use.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

unclebuck wrote:
I have to wonder what the incremental cost is of having someone in a studio playing music for a couple of hours versus the cost of broadcasting a repeat show.


The difference is obviously the cost of the person in front of the mic, other production staff and resources, all of which have to come out of an overall budget.

Running a show that's already on the playout server is easy, and runs automatically. The only human intervention occurs when a live insert is required for news, etc., and that only requires the presenter (who's working on a newsroom roster anyhow) and a duty technical manager who is looking after everything on his/her shift.

I should add that I agree with on your underlying point, however. And I think that there's a political point to be made by Shennan & Co (he did face a backlash with his proposal to shut 6-Music, of course, and there's no doubt that it was a stunt). However, I think the overnight R2 plans reflect the fact that politicians are playing down hard on the BBC and are effectively dictating what the corporation can and can't do. That's a clear contradiction of the original Reithian philosophy but unfortunately the way things are now. THe BBC's top brass are acting like rabbits in headlights - as are our leading politicians.

It doesn't bode well for public service broadcasting, does it?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cuts to production staff have been happening over a few years. I can't see it costs that much for Alex or Richard shows with one producer and possibly a tech guy, The spending on new buildings and studios which has seen better sounding was needed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously central government are asking.for the BBC Trust to look at cut backs. You got to pay for talent to get the best possible shows. Graham Norton and Paul O Grady shows are very popular. Possibly they need to stop getting high profile presenters to dep for example Steve Wright or Ken Bruce as it doesn't matter who does it people will still tune in.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Possibly they need to stop getting high profile presenters to dep for example Steve Wright or Ken Bruce as it doesn't matter who does it people will still tune in.

The thing is, R2 bosses are SCARED now. They've got so many listeners, with every RAJAR showing a rise, that they're scared to upset the applecart. They want their new listeners to be able to tune in at all hours and still hear Coldplay and Katy Perry.

I think Radio 2 should use their position to really push the boundaries of what mainstream radio can play, to try new artists and slightly quirky sounds, but they're just too scared of losing any of those 16m that they're playing ultra-safe. This applies to presenters too: scared of putting a solid, regular, jock in as a stand-in in case they don't bring the celebrity cache of the regular guy. It's so hugely depressing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Obviously central government are asking.for the BBC Trust to look at cut backs.


They're not, actually. The Department for Culture, Media and Sport isn't allowed to do that because the BBC Charter prevents it. What government can do is to fix a ceiling on the revenue the BBC is to receive through the Licence Fee system. The BBC's Charter grants it independence from state control (and thereby keeping it at arm's length from direct government control, both financially and editorially) but in effect that's exactly what's happening and has done since the 1960s. The big difference is that back in the heady 1960s Sir Hugh Carlton-Greene had the balls to tell Prime Minister Harold Wilson and Minister for Posts and Communication Tony Benn where to get off. Sadly, the lackies at the BBC Trust have neither the nerve nor the inclination to do the same and fight our corner. Pity.

mark occomore wrote:
You got to pay for talent to get the best possible shows. Graham Norton and Paul O Grady shows are very popular. Possibly they need to stop getting high profile presenters to dep for example Steve Wright or Ken Bruce as it doesn't matter who does it people will still tune in.


I don't agree. There are lots of very good radio presenters who have a fabulous knowledge of music and who can also hold an intelligent conversation with both guests and listeners when the need arises and who would jump at the chance to put themselves in front of a national audience even during the graveyard shift. And, by the way, I think Graham Norton is a very entertaining and talented bloke, but his style of radio is not the kind that entertains me and that's why I listen to Radio Caroline online on a Saturday morning.

Ian is right - it's depressing, and perhaps the reason I listen to Radio 2 so little these days. Let's face it, you could run a whole radio station on less then we all pay Chris Evans per annum.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if it's dis-satisfaction to the changes that's making Alex Lester say that his show is" the most listened to through the night show in the country", recently.
I can't imagine that Alex can be that happy having his hours shortened after all of these years.

Richard "Dickie dawn" will be a miss at the weekends
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I certainly will miss Richard, just as I did when the previous controller dropped him from his, then Saturday afternoon show. No, I don't imagine Alex liking shorter hours either. I shouldn't imagine Janice did when they chopped an hour off her show. Just what is the matter with these controllers? Come back Jim Moir, all is forgiven!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed with all the points raised . Here is a station which has alienated almost as many listeners as it has gained, has an unadventurous music policy, has given up the remit to be on air live 24 hours a day, thinks hiring celebs is cool and yet axes good presenters. In business you would say ah yes ripe for a competitor to enter the market. Yet in 21st century UK there is no competition to middle of the road Radio 2 and no sign of anything on the horizon. Commercial radio gave up years ago and yet when the economy picks up , and hence the advertising revenue on which they depend should increase, not a murmer. The BBC knows it can do what it wants with R2.

As an aside RA had an excellent spell presenting an album show on BBC Oxford a few years ago. Perhaps he can be tempted back using his own producton company to cut down the costs.
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As an aside RA had an excellent spell presenting an album show on BBC Oxford a few years ago. Perhaps he can be tempted back using his own producton company to cut down the costs.


I doubt whether it will cut costs, to be honest, because even the external programme providers use in-house BBC resources to make their programmes, and these are charged at an agreed rate back to the production. If they use other facilities - such as radio studios in Soho - they might end up paying more. To me, the problem is that if Shennan doesn't want Richard then he doesn't want him in any form.

I just wonder who's next for the chop. Shall we start the betting now?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That means there is only 1 show I will listen to now on R2, JW on SOT70's and that isn't as good as it should be.

Thank goodness for 6music - and their presenters really know their music!

http://www.musicweek.com/news/read/richard-allinson-radio-2-show-ends-bob-harris-moves-slot/058627
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red Baron wrote:
That means there is only 1 show I will listen to now on R2, JW on SOT70's and that isn't as good as it should be.


Interesting that you should highlight Johnnie Walker, because I was really alluding to him above. It can't be long. If it happens, I'll drop R2 from my listening routine completely!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colin wrote:
To me, the problem is that if Shennan doesn't want Richard then he doesn't want him in any form.

Ironically, wasn't it Mr Shennan who brought Richard Allinson back to Radio 2 when he took over as controller? One of his better decisions, I think.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard is simply following in the footsteps of a number of quality presenters who have been designated as 'persona non grata' by the idiotic Mr Shennan including Lynn Parsons,Mark Goodier and several others

The man shouldn't be let anywhere near any BBC radio station - he's just about a third rate controller for what these days is a second rate station so I suppose some might say he's punching beyond his weight Rolling Eyes
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Unfortunately people like him are a familiar feature of today's BBC. I know several people who have worked for BBC Television for years and years, and without exception they all say that all core departments are now led by clueless idiots who have no passion for broadcasting but every commitment to serving their politically-enslaved masters and earning brownie points in order to climb the media career ladder.

In fact, all but a few of my friends have now left the corporation altogether. A long-time friend worked for the BBC for 21 years, ending up as a VT editor at TV Centre; as plans to close TVC were advancing and the head-count was being dramatically reduced, he received notice on a Thursday that his time with the BBC was ending the following Tuesday - and that was it. He loved working for the BBC and it was always his dream to do so, but the BBC just cast him aside. Thankfully, he's now well-establshed as a freelance editor and earning more money. He tells me that his story is a very common one right across the corporation, and morale among staffers and contract freelancers isn't very high.

People like Shennan are just continuing to make things worse - while continuing to collect their own generous salary and benefits package.

Very sad.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When does this change happen?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can i just add that as more of a night time listener,this hits me hard.Bob and Huey both moved to 3am which is normally my sleeping time i know the i player is there but i don't like it.Janice is fine with her 3 hr shift and i can listen to Alex for longer now

There are some good points above and i have to agree with Ian that R2 is very bland during the day
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
When does this change happen?

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October.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ian. I'll just have to make the most of RA on iPlayer until then,not that I listen every week.

Of late I've not listened to R2 during the day, I switch back and forth to Smooth if I just want some background music. Since their changeover the music seems better, well for an hour or so at at time at least!

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Given the amount of holiday that the star presenters have we may get a lot more of Richard in the daytime - some hope with Zoe et al in the wings.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob Harris - the guy has introduced me to so much new music that I would never have heard but for him and his Saturday/Sunday show, and now he's to be demoted to a 3am-6am slot?
I don't really care about 'the future' and how we should be listening to music nowadays. I use the radio for my listening; I like the radio and it's staging posts through the day and the week and the Bob Harris Show at midnight is one of them. I'm really cross.
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I agree with you Tricky, I think they have forgotten how the radio is used by most people anyway! Not everyone listens again for most of the day, you gage your day's progress (or lack of!) by what is coming out of your radio, same thing goes for TV.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said in a previous post, 'Come back Jim Moir, all is forgiven!' For me, that was when Radio 2 was at it's best, and I'd listen for most of the day, the playlist was much more imaginitive, even on the daytime shows.
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Yesterday's Telegraph......

'BBC has a bigger team for Galstonbury than Brazil'

Bob Shennan, the R2 controller said 300 staff were being lined up for the weekend, outstripping the 272 that are set to head to Brazil in the coming weeks.




Aren't budget cuts a wonderful thing?
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Yes, but what it doesn't say is that most of the roster is made up of OB facility staff and other support personnel who will be working on shifts. Outside broadcast facility requirements for events like this is collossal - more so TV than Radio - but companies are contracted in for stuff like satellite links, etc. I don't know who's facilitating it, OB wise, but I think it's Milton Keynes-based SIS Live who have the largest and most up-to-date OB fleet (the company grew out of its acquisition of BBC Outside Broadcasts a few years back).

Don't forget, also, that the BBC earns more from the event that it spends because it distributes worldwide - it's big business now.
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Helen May wrote:
I agree with you Tricky, I think they have forgotten how the radio is used by most people anyway! Not everyone listens again for most of the day, you gage your day's progress (or lack of!) by what is coming out of your radio, same thing goes for TV.

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Helen it is really bad the way things are turning out with radio. To find decent things to listen to at a time that suits the listener, iPlayer is becoming more vital. I have a DAB radio that records to a SD card. I can set it to record shows during the night or at other ridiculous times. Remedies like this and iPlayer seem to be the solution.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to hear Richard covering for Chris Evans this morning.

Meanwhile, the latest Private Eye has a report on the changes. It says that Vanessa Feltz's show rates (relatively) poorly and even those that listen hate it, so Shennan had proposed replacing her with the popular Alex Lester. However, the Powers nixed this because (thanks to Miriam O'Reilly) they're reluctant to get rid of 50-something women in case they sue.

So we're left with a schedule no-one wants - brilliant!
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Surely Ian if they got rid of Ms Feltz on the grounds that listening figures had dropped on her watch it would be an entirely different situation from the Miriam O'Reilly scenario - she was dispensed with purely based on age - there was no evidence that Countryfile viewing figures had substantially dropped - so we're not talking about a comparable situation Smile
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One thing her successful case against the BBC has achieved is that it has given the corporation a kick up the proverbial, with the result that more older women are being given prime presentation slots. One example is Angela Rippon (who was the Programme Editor on a 1970s TV series I worked on in the South West), who, along with her mate Gloria Hunniford, crops up in the BBC1 evening schedule much more frequently now. That's obviously a good thing for those who would otherwise be affected, but it does have knock-on effects for others.

The Beeb's senior management really is paranoid on all this. The Producer of a recent programme I was involved in for BBC4 (due for transmission in the Autumn) was faced with loads of "participation" forms to fill out at the time the final master was submitted to the Commissioning Editor. He had to tick loads of boxes relating to the proportion of men and women working on the production at all levels (even runners and edit assistants!), as well as the share of ethic minorities and even people with disabilities. He was tempted merely to fiddle the return until he was told that they reserve the right to undertake an audit!

It's nonsense, of course, but it supports Ian's theory that the Beeb is reluctant to kick Feltz into touch for fear of unticking those essential boxes that are conveniently ticked!
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