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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:28 pm    Post subject: Bob Shennan on Feedback Reply with quote

After the outcry over Jo Whiley, Radio 4's Feedback have asked Radio 2 Controller Bob Shennan to come on and answer listener's questions on next week's show (Friday 18th)

I expect he'll dodge everything, but if you want to contribute e-mail feedback@bbc.co.uk
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, what outcry?

Anyway, you're right - don't expect any contrition, or anything worth commenting on. Last time he was on (September 2009) was just after he'd appointed CE to succeed TW, and waved goodbye to Malcolm Laycock, and he batted away questions on those with the obduracy of Geoffrey Boycott.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waste of time. Him and his ilk are always right and know exactly what the listener wants, so not worth bothering with Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:11 am    Post subject: Bob Shennan on Feedback Reply with quote

Expect business as usual for Shennan D'Oh.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RockitRon wrote:
Sorry, what outcry?

All the letters Feedback have received about Jo Whiley joining and Radcliffe/Maconie leaving the station.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was mentioned on Feedback that they'd had loads of complaints about Jo Whiley a week or so after it was announced. I expect they've received more since.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Know doubt he will like Tim Davie talk about a load of garbage without any considration what the listener really wants.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It was mentioned on Feedback that they'd had loads of complaints about Jo Whiley a week or so after it was announced. I expect they've received more since.

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How can they complain about something before they've heard it?
It's like all those stupid reviews on Amazon of CDs etc before the content is made available to air, let alone been released to buy.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron

You can complain about the fact that Mark and Stuart are being taken off the station and most know Jo Whiley from Radio 1 (although I don't) and not many appear to like her. I'm not keen on what I've heard her do on Radio 2 though.

The new show they will have probably won't be anything like the one on Radio 2 because of the time of day it's going out.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ron

You can complain about the fact that Mark and Stuart are being taken off the station and most know Jo Whiley from Radio 1 (although I don't) and not many appear to like her. I'm not keen on what I've heard her do on Radio 2 though.

The new show they will have probably won't be anything like the one on Radio 2 because of the time of day it's going out.

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I listened to her a lot when I was a R1 devotee. She's nowhere near as cool, hip and knowledgable as she thinks she is.

I'm no fan of Maconie, but many are- he's not to my taste. I think Radcliffe is a genius. However, when Shennan shunts 2 highly respected (by the majority, I imagine) presenters off to digital anonimity it proves he has no idea about radio.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just get a little tee'd off with a lot of the pre-judging which goes on, but then I must be one of the few people who has never heard Jo Whiley properly. She has been on Radio 1 for a very long time, so must have had something about her. 2 is different, she doesn't necessarily have to be cool and hip, so we shall see.

My feelings on Radcliffe and Maconie are ones of ambivalence. Mark is a far better writer than he is a presenter - the pages are mercifully free of all those errs. Stuart sends me to sleep as both. Uncle Bob will doubtless say that their transfer to 6Music will give the station a bit of clout and attract more people to the digital medium, which they seem so desparate to do.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron, I'm not pre-judging Jo Whiley- I listened to her for years and imo she's a less than an adequate presenter. My firm belief for how she stuck around on R1 all these years? Compliance, love! Wink Very Happy gotta have a girlie in there..........
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the complaints against Jo joining the station, or Mark and Stuart moving across the 6 Music? Will listeners able to tune in at work via digital radio if they have one? I wonder if it's disrupted peoples lifes. Laughing I wonder what kind of impact this will have on Steve Wright Radio 2 show.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
1. Are the complaints against Jo joining the station, or Mark and Stuart moving across the 6 Music?
2. Will listeners able to tune in at work via digital radio if they have one? 3. I wonder if it's disrupted peoples lifes. Laughing
4.I wonder what kind of impact this will have on Steve Wright Radio 2 show.


1. BOTH hopefully Very Happy
2. Yes, if work let's them I'd assume Very Happy
3. Won't disrupt mine, in fact I'm more likely to hear MR at 11pm once a week, but will affect what I think of R2 and its decline into old R1 and the reduction of specialists shows (unless JW surprises us) Very Happy
4. Hopefully some and in time a lot Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will certainly give Jo Whiley a listen. From what I've heard of her on Thursdays, she sounds alright. At least she is a DJ first & foremost rather than a comedian or some other TV personality. I still wonder what will happen to the current 6 music weekend breakfast show host Jo Good. I hope she gets a new show out of all that upheaval, rather than just being 'dumped'. She certainly doesn't deserve that treatment.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 10:49 am    Post subject: Bob Shennan on Feedback Reply with quote

Yes, it is unfair on Jo Good.

I was also convinced that Nemone and Lauren Laverne were the modern-day equivalent of the Old Woman Who Lived In A Shoe, so often were they both off on maternity leave!

They could recreate 'Every Sperm Is Sacred' for Children In Need!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Are the complaints against Jo joining the station, or Mark and Stuart moving across the 6 Music? Will listeners able to tune in at work via digital radio if they have one? I wonder if it's disrupted peoples lifes. Laughing I wonder what kind of impact this will have on Steve Wright Radio 2 show.


I'd say an awful lot won't be able to listen in the afternoons, probably the main reason for the outcry. If they had switched them to a similar time slot on 6 Music I think it would have been more acceptable.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listeners enjoyed Mark in the afternoon when he covered for Steve, but we never know the real reasons why they have moved across the 6 Music. Jo might have wanted to leave Radio 1.
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The afternoon audience are totally different from the evening one Mark.

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mark occomore wrote:
Jo might have wanted to leave Radio 1.


Eh? Are you kidding? No radio broadcaster wants to leave Radio One because it's downhill from there on......
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Jo might have wanted to leave Radio 1.


Eh? Are you kidding? No radio broadcaster wants to leave Radio One because it's downhill from there on......


Moving from Radio 1 to 2 isn't going downhill. Radio 1 is looking for younger presenters to host shows. Instead of doing a Bannister, Parfitt will gradually change the sounding. I wouldn't be surprised if Moyles moves over to Radio 2.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Moyles moves over to Radio 2.


Maybe, but I'd stop listening to Radio 2 if that was the case. I can not stand Moyles!
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I wouldn't be surprised if Moyles moves over to Radio 2.


Mark, be serious. Please. Take time to think this stuff through........... Rolling Eyes
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I wouldn't be surprised if Moyles moves over to Radio 2.


Mark, be serious. Please. Take time to think this stuff through........... Rolling Eyes


He's on his way, trust me. It was in one of the Rating Wars stories and they always come true eventually....... you'll see ... well hear.. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Moyles talks about Radio 2 on his breakfast show. I can't see him moving to commercial radio.
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Heíll move to R2 when he becomes mainstream for the average Radio 2 listener. By mainstream I mean he will appeal to the R2 target audience at the time, just as Chris Evans does now. As we get older, many of us forget that weíre on a conveyor belt passing through mainstream, when we get to the other side of mainstream, and youíll know when you get there, because youíll start to complain about things, shouty DJs, new music, traffic, silly laws, all that kind of stuff, then thatís not a sign that those things are bad, itís a sign that you are no longer a target for mainstream entertainment. That may well frustrate and annoy you but no one cares because youíre just not where itís all happening anymore, you've had your shot.
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mark occomore wrote:
Chris Moyles talks about Radio 2 on his breakfast show. I can't see him moving to commercial radio.

It's true that a commercial station wouldn't let him ramble on as much as he does on the BBC, so his post-Radio 1 options are limited. BBC bosses would probably want him on 6Music rather than 2, but I doubt he would.
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I think it is certainly very true that the 'target audience' thing as it affects Radio 2 and possibly other stations is the cause of an awful lot of discontent from listeners outside that particular age range

The powers that be within the BBC seem to think they have a role in life to dictate which age group should be listening to a particular station and they achieve their aim by massaging the output so that it has a chance of appealing to the group of listeners who they think in their infinite wisdom should be those who are tuning in rather than the ones who actually do at present

What,of course, they tend to forget is that the general population is now ageing quickly so in a few years time more than 40% of the total population will be over the age of 60 and younger listeners will be much less in number compared to their older counterparts and this is going to present the BBC with a problem

Does it totally ignore these older listening groups which because of their sheer numbers are going to become a real force to be contended with or does it spend money to provide a new music station to accommodate the needs of these older listeners so that it can carry on with its target audience policy for Radio 2?

The whole problem exists because the BBC instead of providing what the bulk of listeners want sees itself as the champion of some kind of mad experiment in social engineering where the listeners have to fit the profile of the radio station rather than the station catering for the profile of its listeners

Of course there is a precedent for this when Radio 1 was ruined by the truly dreadful Matthew Bannister in the mid 90s but its older listeners were not provided with any proper alternate place to go as Radio 2 was still stuck in the Frances Line era and it made large numbers of people including me very grumpy

I hope that the mistake is not repeated at the cost of pretty much the same generation of listeners
We really are getting to the point where we need Radio 2 Extra or something like it
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RockitRon wrote:
I just get a little tee'd off with a lot of the pre-judging which goes on, but then I must be one of the few people who has never heard Jo Whiley properly. She has been on Radio 1 for a very long time, so must have had something about her. 2 is different, she doesn't necessarily have to be cool and hip, so we shall see.

She was one of the reasons I moved from Radio 1 to Radio 2, but I have given her a try on Radio 2 but she's not changed. There's just nothing about her.

It's telling that even on her own In Concert show, whenever there's been a major event she's been demoted while Johnnie Walker, Simon Mayo, Chris Evans, or even Stuart Maconie have done the main presenting. That suggests a lack of faith in her ability even from those in charge.
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Heíll move to R2 when he becomes mainstream for the average Radio 2 listener. By mainstream I mean he will appeal to the R2 target audience at the time, just as Chris Evans does now. As we get older, many of us forget that weíre on a conveyor belt passing through mainstream, when we get to the other side of mainstream, and youíll know when you get there, because youíll start to complain about things, shouty DJs, new music, traffic, silly laws, all that kind of stuff, then thatís not a sign that those things are bad, itís a sign that you are no longer a target for mainstream entertainment. That may well frustrate and annoy you but no one cares because youíre just not where itís all happening anymore, you've had your shot.


I think I'll frame that - it answers most of the threads in the top half of the board, and it's bound to come in handy again. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:26 pm    Post subject: If you want to know what the future holds... Reply with quote

If you want to know what the future holds, read the BBC Trust review of Radio 2.

It's main points were:

Rolling Eyes A more ambitious approach to non-music content in peak time
Embarassed Ensure the average audience age of 50 did not fall any further
Shocked Should provide peak-time audiences with more content they could not hear elsewhere

Shennan will eventually have to comply with this.

It will mean a drop in overall popularity for Radio 2, but will ensure it continues to fulfil its remit, which is to appeal to all ages over the age of 35.

Essentially, this means the format of Radio 2 as it is now is on borrowed time.

The main recent changes to scheduling fly completely in the face of the above criteria stipulated by the BBC Trust.

Replacing Wogan with Evans, in the light of this, for example, is clearly a breach of the station's remit.

These are the sort of points to put to Shennan when he faces the music on Friday!
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Radio as we know it is dead.

RIP Radio.

I don't care any more! Evans can gob off and act like a prat all he likes because I'm not listening so it doesn't matter; Shennan can make as many idiotic programming decisions, because it really doesn't matter either.
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If you want to know what the future holds, read the BBC Trust review of Radio 2.

It's main points were:

Rolling Eyes A more ambitious approach to non-music content in peak time
Embarassed Ensure the average audience age of 50 did not fall any further
Shocked Should provide peak-time audiences with more content they could not hear elsewhere

Shennan will eventually have to comply with this.

It will mean a drop in overall popularity for Radio 2, but will ensure it continues to fulfil its remit, which is to appeal to all ages over the age of 35.

Essentially, this means the format of Radio 2 as it is now is on borrowed time.

The main recent changes to scheduling fly completely in the face of the above criteria stipulated by the BBC Trust.

Replacing Wogan with Evans, in the light of this, for example, is clearly a breach of the station's remit.

These are the sort of points to put to Shennan when he faces the music on Friday!


Where have I read that before? Oh yes, about eighteen months ago.

ColinB wrote:
I don't care any more! Evans can gob off and act like a prat all he likes because I'm not listening so it doesn't matter; Shennan can make as many idiotic programming decisions, because it really doesn't matter either.


And nor does all the whingeing and moaning on a forum like this.
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thewelshboycott wrote:
If you want to know what the future holds, read the BBC Trust review of Radio 2.

It's main points were:

Rolling Eyes A more ambitious approach to non-music content in peak time
Embarassed Ensure the average audience age of 50 did not fall any further
Shocked Should provide peak-time audiences with more content they could not hear elsewhere

Shennan will eventually have to comply with this.

It will mean a drop in overall popularity for Radio 2, but will ensure it continues to fulfil its remit, which is to appeal to all ages over the age of 35.

Essentially, this means the format of Radio 2 as it is now is on borrowed time.

The main recent changes to scheduling fly completely in the face of the above criteria stipulated by the BBC Trust.

Replacing Wogan with Evans, in the light of this, for example, is clearly a breach of the station's remit.

These are the sort of points to put to Shennan when he faces the music on Friday!


Blimey! I couldnít disagree more with that.

1..Thereís already acres of non music content at peak times. We need more not less music! Just on the Breakfast show Ė we get sport and news and travel and phone-ins and newspaper reviews- non of that is music. Drivetime is worse Ė we get all of those and business and cooking!Ö

2. As we all get older the average age will go up not down- cos thereís fewer young people around- so this is a self fulfilling requirement. In other words Ė do nothing and it will happen.

3. Since itís not possible to broadcast live from two places at once, then whatever is on Radio 2 cannot be available on any other radio station. So again, requirement fulfilled.

Easy!

Shennan is already complying with the BBC Trustís requirements , itís just a matter of interpretation. Nothing will change.
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Would you rather we didn't post at all then Ron? I think it says something that so many of us are almost unanimous in our complaining about the changes to a station we loved until the very recent past.

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I'd never even considered joining or posting on any forum until the changes happened on Radio 2 about a year ago particularly in respect of the breakfast show which made me so annoyed that I decided I wanted to have my say originally on the R2 Messageboards and now here

The station I loved for several years is gradually being dismantled piece by piece and I take the view that I wish to have my say whether or not certain people here think it's pointless or otherwise

I imagine many other members here feel the same
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RockitRon wrote:
ColinB wrote:
I don't care any more! Evans can gob off and act like a prat all he likes because I'm not listening so it doesn't matter; Shennan can make as many idiotic programming decisions, because it really doesn't matter either.


And nor does all the whingeing and moaning on a forum like this.


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I'd never even considered joining or posting on any forum until the changes happened on Radio 2 about a year ago particularly in respect of the breakfast show which made me so annoyed that I decided I wanted to have my say originally on the R2 Messageboards and now here

The station I loved for several years is gradually being dismantled piece by piece and I take the view that I wish to have my say whether or not certain people here think it's pointless or otherwise

I imagine many other members here feel the same


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Moi aussi!

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