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becky sharp



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:28 pm    Post subject: Facebook and Radio 2 Reply with quote

Helen remarked on the Radio 2 messageboard the other day (and I hope she doesn't mind me quoting her)

"I do feel a bit put out that we are paying for the BBC's presence on Facebook as it will no doubt have to be policed in a similar way to the message boards"

To which Peta answered ...

I post content onto our Facebook group a few times a week, but it isn't moderated by us, if you don't like content on Facebook you alert it, and Facebook will remove it if they think it breaks *their* rules.

But on the 6 Music messageboard she (Peta)wrote this


As admins of our own group we have the right - and the buttons provided by Facebook for admin use - to exclude and remove people, content and/or links from our own pages.

If you know of someone would like to appeal against a Facebook ban, or about the way that we manage our Facebook pages, please go via the complaints site. It's worth noting that anyone who has been seen to contribute harassing, abusive or offensive content about BBC staff members or other listeners won't be reinstated, for obvious reasons.

If you'd like more information about why Facebook have set it up their site so that admins can manage the content posted to their own pages, or info about their rules and their application by page owners, why not contact Facebook? I believe they have a help centre on their site.

Am I missing something here??
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good spot Becky, I like it. More BBC 'follow my leader to the complaints form only to be ignored' rubbish.

It beggars belief.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Radio 2's Facebook pages are absolute twaddle - yet another extension of their Public Relations department.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Facebook and twitter are just transitory fads. They’ll be replaced by something else soon enough. They're both too mainstream now to be cool. Once your mum-in-law is on twitter, it's like taking her with you when you shop for shoes:get some nice flat ones dear- those will ruin your feet.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it a bit weak the Beeb citing the closure as things moving on & other ways to communicate like Twitter & Facebook. Nothing like the MB's!

Has anyone posted a link to this site at the R2 MB so people can come here when that closes?
(Will the Beeb allow such a link?)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clive55 wrote:
Has anyone posted a link to this site at the R2 MB so people can come here when that closes?


Yes, several people have managed to do that - with the links staying put! I think peta's now given up deleting them and has adopted a "what the heck" stance.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Colin! Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put one on the 6 music board (the one that's closing) and it was still there when I last looked.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to BBC radio 2 facebook page ...to place a comment... Rolling Eyes

No chance...it is full of Chris Evans.....is he the only one on BBC radio 2?

AND they dont take comments.............. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not entirely true, Blondehedgehog. Unless you're seeing a different page to me - http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/BBCR2 - there's Huey Morgan, Michael Bublé, Bob Harris, "front man for a rock band", etc. etc

You are right that there are no comments for anything to do with Chris Evans (or Simon Mayo), except for his appearance on Blue Peter, and then they are only about BP - but there certainly are for Chris Tarrant and Vanessa Feltz, and of the 43 for her not one is complimentary.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That page just tells me to look at my profile...I was looking at this...

http://www.facebook.com/BBCR2
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you click the 'Everyone' tab at the top of the page (below the line of photos going along the top), you'll be able to see what other people have written on BBC Radio 2's "wall"; it certainly does allow writing on their page, as well as commenting on their updates.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know next to nothing about Facebook and how it works.

I went onto the Radio 2 page and clicked on “Discussions”. Where are all the topics that used to attract so much traffic on the R2 MB? It seems that the latest comment about anything was at the end of January i.e. about 4 weeks ago.

Is the Radio 2 presence on Facebook justified?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FleetingEileenM wrote:
I know next to nothing about Facebook and how it works.

I went onto the Radio 2 page and clicked on “Discussions”. Where are all the topics that used to attract so much traffic on the R2 MB? It seems that the latest comment about anything was at the end of January i.e. about 4 weeks ago.

Is the Radio 2 presence on Facebook justified?

Its on the main "Wall"; the "Discussions" bit is rarely used on the majority of Facebook pages.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Fred. I've had a look at the WALL page. There are very few topics, nothing of any interest to me and the whole thing looks a right dog's dinner.

Perhaps I would need to join FB in order to get the full benefit. (I won't tho.)
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see how you can get anything out of it by being a mere observer since the content is the product of the connections you make - the better your connections the more engaging content you get. The trouble is that many people's "friends" on FB are obsessed with sharing utter trivia (what they had for breakfast, etc) which gives a completely unfair impression of what it has to offer.

I occasionally have a cull of those people I "friend" (peculiar use of the word as a verb, by the way!) because I tire of their wall posts, but I value greatly the interchanges I have with lots of people. I've also re-established contact all seven people who were in my student tutorial group over 30 years ago and who are scattered around the globe.

I guess all forms of "social media" are capable of delivering whatever the user wants to gain from it, to be.

Then again, I think the Radio 2 group section on FB is a complete waste of space and I just don't bother with it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I've looked at the Wall and can see all the comments about Vanessa Feltz but can't see where I could leave one?

I've a Facebook page but hate the thing, only keep it to look at a few things.

I must admit I can't see the point of Radio 2 having pages on there, but then what do I know LOL!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

H...
Underneath the last comment, or at the bottom of every thread, there's a thin, rectangular box with "Write a comment". Click on that, it will get a little larger, and a blue Comment button will appear - you can now write a comment and press the button to publish it. If you think better of it just click anywhere outside the box and it will vanish.

I have not been moved to make any comment on any BBC FB page.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't have that when I look at the page Ron...

Not sure I want to say something but I just wondered how it was done! Like I say I'm not a fan of Facebook.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
It doesn't have that when I look at the page Ron...

Not sure I want to say something but I just wondered how it was done! Like I say I'm not a fan of Facebook.

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You have to be a 'friend' Helen,to make a comment.....
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
It doesn't have that when I look at the page Ron...

Have you "liked" the page? You can only write on the Wall if you "like" it.

I personally don't have a problem with the BBC using Facebook - it gives them the illusion of listening to us without the expense of hosting and moderating it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I haven't 'liked' the page Ian, but that probably explains the problem, thanks

Seems very odd to have to like something before you can complain that you don't like it......... Rolling Eyes

Again maybe it's me but it seems a bit contrary to me!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "like" button is mis-named; what it actually relates to is the fact that a user has created a link between their own bit of Facebook and a third-party's and - in doing so - you have provided Facebook with an essential piece of metadata that they can exploit. It also means that the 3rd party has a measure of who's watching their feed and provides you with access to it in order to contribute to it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or, less cynically, it's just like making friends, but with a company rather than a person.

Radio 2 is a Page which you "like" so it's messages come up in your feed, rather than a Group which you join and actively have to make an effort to seek out and interact with.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah well I haven't 'liked' R2 so don't get any feeds. Think I prefer it that way!

The way I see it is that take this board, well we've sort it out to read and post on but what we post doesn't automatically go to everyone that we have the tiniest miniscule of a link to. I know we have no idea who is reading the board but it's going to be far less than the numbers who are on Facebook.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Robinson wrote:
Or, less cynically, it's just like making friends, but with a company rather than a person.


There are much more insidious goings-on when you "like" a corporate friend.....

http://bit.ly/dUlrhD
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
Ian Robinson wrote:
Or, less cynically, it's just like making friends, but with a company rather than a person.


There are much more insidious goings-on when you "like" a corporate friend.....

http://bit.ly/dUlrhD

But that's not the same thing at all.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
Ian Robinson wrote:
Or, less cynically, it's just like making friends, but with a company rather than a person.


There are much more insidious goings-on when you "like" a corporate friend.....

http://bit.ly/dUlrhD


That's very interesting Colin. I wonder if I really need my Facebook page?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ian Robinson wrote:
ColinB wrote:
Ian Robinson wrote:
Or, less cynically, it's just like making friends, but with a company rather than a person.


There are much more insidious goings-on when you "like" a corporate friend.....

http://bit.ly/dUlrhD

But that's not the same thing at all.


Yes it is, because when you click "like" you're adding to the metadata that FB's servers hold about your account and then connecting it with the third party's (eg: Radio 2's FB account metadata). The two sets of data are then linked which gives FB - and those 3rd parties with whom it shares its data - a peek at your preferences and FB activity. The fact that FB is bringing together the "Like" and "Share" functionality isn't something they've decided to do on a corporate whim.
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Helen May wrote:
That's very interesting Colin. I wonder if I really need my Facebook page?


That's something you have to weigh up yourself, Helen. Whilst I'm extremely carefully about how I use my FB account I also find it very, very useful in establishing contact with old friends and also keeping in touch with family members around the globe (as well as in the UK).
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's one of the reasons I keep it, even though I de-activate it from time to time. You never know when you may just want to use it.

I'm glad you gave that link as I had thought of maybe leaving a comment (a not very complimentary one I'd add) about Vanessa Feltz as I get the impression that more notice is taken of that page than was of the R2 message boards. I could be mistaken though!

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ColinB wrote:
Ian Robinson wrote:
ColinB wrote:
Ian Robinson wrote:
Or, less cynically, it's just like making friends, but with a company rather than a person.


There are much more insidious goings-on when you "like" a corporate friend.....

http://bit.ly/dUlrhD

But that's not the same thing at all.


Yes it is, because when you click "like" you're adding to the metadata that FB's servers hold about your account and then connecting it with the third party's (eg: Radio 2's FB account metadata). The two sets of data are then linked which gives FB - and those 3rd parties with whom it shares its data - a peek at your preferences and FB activity. The fact that FB is bringing together the "Like" and "Share" functionality isn't something they've decided to do on a corporate whim.


That page is talking about "Liking" content hosted off the Facebook servers - and therefore content that isn't controlled by Facebook. Its more like a "Share" button really - same functionality.

Liking a page hosted on Facebook (ie http://www.facebook.com/BBCR2) is a completely different concept which used to be known as "Becoming a Fan" of a page; nothing to do with the old "Share" functionality. This type of "Liking" has been around for years - long before the changes in the article you've linked to is talking about happened.

These pages are more like someone's account, the difference being that while I as a Facebook user can "like" BBC Radio 2's page and see everything on it, BBC Radio 2 can not, as a result, access my profile and find out about me/my preferences & activity on Facebook.

(That's me speaking from experience - I am a page admin for several Facebook pages. As an admin I can see exactly the same as a normal Facebook user can see on the page, but the difference is that when I write on the "Wall" of the page, it appears as a status update from the page rather than a post under my personal account).

Helen May wrote:
I'm glad you gave that link as I had thought of maybe leaving a comment (a not very complimentary one I'd add) about Vanessa Feltz as I get the impression that more notice is taken of that page than was of the R2 message boards. I could be mistaken though!

I'm not sure I'd go that far, but they do seem to respond to complaints more than they did on the old message boards.
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Fred wrote:
That page is talking about "Liking" content hosted off the Facebook servers - and therefore content that isn't controlled by Facebook. Its more like a "Share" button really - same functionality.


Well, not quite. There's more going on, server-side.

Fred wrote:
Liking a page hosted on Facebook (ie http://www.facebook.com/BBCR2) is a completely different concept which used to be known as "Becoming a Fan" of a page; nothing to do with the old "Share" functionality. This type of "Liking" has been around for years - long before the changes in the article you've linked to is talking about happened.


It's what Facebook is now doing with the information regarding the nature of your "like" that's changed - and one which is being discussed at length in techie circles.

Here's what a web-server admin friend of mine wrote to me yesterday:

A friend of mine wrote:

I never use the Like button. A colleague showed me how my browsing was showing up on websites that he was visiting. He visited The Independent website and it told him what articles a colleague had been reading. I don't know about you, but I'm not that keen on all my Facebook "friends" knowing what I am up to on the internet. Are you?

And even more to the point, this means the website I visit doesn't now just have some vague information like my IP address - they now have the names and details of me and all my "friends".

We didn't register or log in to The Independent's website. The only connection was that we were Facebook "friends". Obviously, this information is being picked up via cookies. I've just had another peek at The Independent's website again. It doesn't show what my friends have read - only if they've "liked" something (presumably they have to click a "like" button for that to happen). So how is it that the site has identified me without that? Does that not contravene EU privacy laws?

I'm now told that if you "like" or "share" anything from that site, then, by default, all your Facebook "friends" see it too. You can turn it off, but how many ordinary Facebook users are aware of such issues or know how to do it? Here's what I've learned:

Use the Facebook Privacy setting called "Instant Personalization". This new setting shares your data with non-Facebook sites. Go to "Account" > "Privacy Settings" > "Apps & Websites" > "Instant Personalization" > edit settings & deselect "Enable".

NOTE: If your "friends" don't do this, they will be sharing info about you as well.

What really bothers me - and many others - is that my setting was not set to ENABLE but my information was being freely shared out by The Independent regardless.

From a techie point of view, it looks to me like it basically it allowed for parter sites to join a Facebook API that allowed you to then see what your friends had liked and commented on and such when they had visited yet another partner site signed up to the scheme.


So, I re-iterate. Be VERY CAREFUL when using the "like" function in Facebook - because you never know what's happening to your data. Check your privacy settings now.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it's still not the same as liking the Radio 2 page!
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Ian Robinson wrote:
But it's still not the same as liking the Radio 2 page!


But it still hints that all is not what it appears to be with Facebook's "like" functionality. The fact that you "like" it gives Facebook enough information and metadata to share with others and, by all accounts, they do. If you don't give them that information, they can't use it.
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Nothing is free, with facebook, you pay with your life.
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Rachel wrote:
Nothing is free, with facebook, you pay with your life.


I read that as "you pay with your wife" for a minute. Silly billy me!!! Smile
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Rachel wrote:
Nothing is free, with facebook, you pay with your life.


I read that as "you pay with your wife" for a minute. Silly billy me!!! Smile


if they threw in a few bottles of Brakspear Hubby would be tempted. Smile
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Colin said:

<quote>A friend of mine wrote:

I never use the Like button. A colleague showed me how my browsing was showing up on websites that he was visiting. He visited The Independent website and it told him what articles a colleague had been reading. I don't know about you, but I'm not that keen on all my Facebook "friends" knowing what I am up to on the internet. Are you?

And even more to the point, this means the website I visit doesn't now just have some vague information like my IP address - they now have the names and details of me and all my "friends". </quote>

Crikey Colin, I am now even more put off the thought of going anywhere near Facebook. There seem to be so many loopholes to catch out the unwary.
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if they threw in a few bottles of Brakspear Hubby would be tempted. Smile


Brakspear's of Henley? Oh yes, now you come to mention it..........
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