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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:02 pm    Post subject: Prime Minister Reply with quote

Do you think that if these riots were taking place in tory safe seats instead of labour,Cameron would cut short his holiday?

I have a feeling he would
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest I don't think it would make any difference because I don't think Cameron is really interested anyway

He much prefers to try to make himself look good by trotting around the world giving away huge amounts of hard earned taxpayers money to third world dictators in the name of so called 'foreign aid'

I suppose with all that hard work he feels he deserves a holiday Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it matters if the Prime Minister is away on holiday. The Home Secretary is returning and there are such things as phones and conference calls so I can't see that there is anything he could do here that he couldn't do where he is.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, it would make no difference if he were to return. Let him and his family enjoy their break before, as Ruddles says, giving more of our hard earned money to nice friendly mass murderers like Mugabe (though the Foreign Office under the last Govt were just as generous to tyrants with our money).
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at it slightly cynically it might well be in the PM's interest not to return knowing full well that Theresa May has already done so and is stuck with the problem

And of course if it all goes pear shaped there will be a ready made scapegoat and it won't be anything to do with Mr Cameron

I feel quite sorry for Mrs May but at least she can rest in the knowledge that she has done the decent thing in cutting short her holiday although unfortunately I don't think she is anything like being tough enough given the continuing unrest tonight

Of course it might help if many of our troops were not tied up in pointless and unwinnable wars around the world because then they could be out on the streets in London and possibly other cities if required helping to restore order
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always feel sorry for the Home Secretary, no matter who he/she is and regardless of which party. After all, he/she is responsible for the things which affect us here at home (our safety, eg terrorism, law and order, policing, immigration etc) and if anything goes wrong, as in Tottenham, the Home Sec will always get the blame.
A Foreign Secretary, always a clueless idiot, makes decisions which don't affect us directly. Even the Chancellor can blame economic turmoil on previous Governments, the global economy. bad weather etc, but the poor old Home Sec can never win!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just been announced that the Prime Minister has finally decided to cut short his holiday and return

Clearly a correct decision but rather late in the day and probably more influenced by his media image rather than any desire to take any serious action Sad
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He should have come back earlier really, everybody is entitled to a holiday of course but to be honest seeing him sitting there sipping cocktails without a care in the world while all this stuff is going on was not a good image to portray.

I do feel a bit sorry for Teresa May, she seems a decent person unlike other members of the cabinet.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toggy wrote:
I do feel a bit sorry for Teresa May, she seems a decent person unlike other members of the cabinet.


I think she's just as daft as the rest of them - especially in the light of government plans to radically cut the budgets of police forces up and down the land. Joined-up thinking? Not arf, pop pickers.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After seeing what she said today I agree with you Colin, I don't feel sorry for her at all now. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After seeing her on political discussion programmes (including BBC1's Question Time) I've long since concluded that she's a silly, pompous cow. But that's just my personal opinion! Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will not surprise you to know Colin that I disagree with you

However, having said that, the whole of the Government's response to the present rioting is absolutely pathetic

After three days of this ridiculous situation by now we should have troops on the streets or failing that at very least the police using baton round and tazars and water cannon with dye so that offenders can be identified and arrested

After all why should such tactics be imposed on rioters in one part of Britain i.e. Northern Ireland but not in London or Birmingham or Manchester?

Yet again there is far too much pussy footing around for fear of offending minority communities

The only consolation is that it would have been even worse had Labour been in power Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
It will not surprise you to know Colin that I disagree with you


About what? Theresa May? Really? She's a silly cow who is always looking for the perfect sound-bite but fails to grab one. Every time.

ruddlescat wrote:
The only consolation is that it would have been even worse had Labour been in power Rolling Eyes


To be honest, I don't think it would. We wouldn't have had as many "stuff you" messages to the people of Britain from government ministers, for a start.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken Livingstone last night was already trying to make excuses for the uneducated idiots taking part in this organised criminality

I really don't think it's going to do his future election chances much good even against someone as inept as Boris Johnson bearing in mind the level of anger from residents of London as expressed today

Talk about being on the wrong side of the argument Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
Ken Livingstone last night was already trying to make excuses for the uneducated idiots taking part in this organised criminality


I've done a lot of work with young people's groups and when Cameron & co started to announce cut-backs to funding of education, young people's projects, training programmes, etc etc., I was one of those who thought "This is going to incite a reaction sooner or later". And so it has.

I don't condone the violence, but I don't support such senseless policies from such an inept, completely out-of-touch government, either.

ruddlescat wrote:
I really don't think it's going to do his future election chances much good even against someone as inept as Boris Johnson bearing in mind the level of anger from residents of London as expressed today


Johnson might be an affable bloke with a self-depracating sense of humour but let's be honest he's just another Eton-educated pillock.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Colin, I agree with your comments about Boris Johnson but the point is by Ken Livingstone seeking to justify the rioting he is handing the London Mayoral election to Boris on a plate

Nobody likes the idea of cuts in public spending but the reality is that over thirteen years the previous Labour Government got us into such a financial mess that cuts had to be made somewhere and whilst I don't think some of the present cuts are the right ones it's quite clear that cuts need to be made otherwise Britain will have its credit record downgraded just like has recently happened with the USA and that has a knock on effect on interest rates which in turn leads to people losing their homes

As you know although I am a Conservative voter I'm not a great fan of Cameron or quite a number of members of the present administration but the alternative is to have vastly increased public spending in which case interest rates will go through the roof and as a country we'll end up in the same position as Greece Sad

These rioters are not doing so because of cuts or for any other political cause - they are doing so for reasons of pure criminality and seem to think that they are entitled to break into any shop and take whatever they want when the rest of us law abiding citizens actually have to pay for stuff we need
These people are quite simply the scum of the earth and to call them animals is a gross insult to animals - most of them should have been strangled at birth or perhaps that should have happened to their irresponsible parents Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
Nobody likes the idea of cuts in public spending but the reality is that over thirteen years the previous Labour Government got us into such a financial mess that cuts had to be made somewhere and whilst I don't think some of the present cuts are the right ones it's quite clear that cuts need to be made...


The cuts are being made for idealogical reasons. I happen to believe that we, as a society, have an obligation to invest in our young people and to inspire them to improve society as well as their own lot. I've been directly involved in efforts to realise this, of which I'm proud.

Sadly, all the work that I've done since the late 1970s is now being eroded in the space of a few months thanks to a near-complete withdrawal of this essential investment. It's no wonder that so many young people feel so entirely disenfranchised. They're right to feel angry - so would I be.

Like I said, I'm not condoning the mindless, moronic action. However, the likes of Theresa May make me want to slap some politicians in the face for making a generation of young people the victim of the greed of bankers and politicians - especially pompous Eton-educated idiots whose contact with the real world is zilch.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cuts are certainly not being made for idealogical reasons - they are being made for necessary reasons because if cuts are not made we as a country will be bankrupt- pure and simple

I don't agree with many of the cuts in areas like education and welfare benefits and to my mind the first area for cuts should be the ridiculous foreign aid budget which simply puts our money in the hands of ruthless third world dictators with their citizens never seeing any benefit from most of the money expended

I realise that it's hard for young people at present because I have a son who has just left college and despite first class qualifications he is finding it hard to find a job as are many of his friends but despite this they don't go out and riot and steal goods from local shops unlike these selfish idiots in many parts of London and other cities

I'm completely in favour of giving young people all the help we can particularly in the present economic situation but to suggest that the present rioting is down to lack of opportunities for ordinary young people is frankly a gross insult to those young people

The rioting is down to young thugs with irresponsible parents who are totally out of control and who need a very large short sharp shock - a bullet up the backside might do the trick Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
The cuts are certainly not being made for idealogical reasons - they are being made for necessary reasons because if cuts are not made we as a country will be bankrupt- pure and simple


I disagree. The cuts are very much being made for ideological reasons. We're heading for a double-dip recession simply because leading economists on both sides of the Atlantic don't really know what they're doing. Politicians who have misled by them now blame us and expect us to pay for the mistakes of those who should have known better. Let's not forget, either, the deregulation of the banking system back in the late 80s which set us all down the wrong road.

However, on the root issue, I reiterate that I strongly believe that the current package of cuts are very much being made for ideological reasons - they're cuts that Thatcher would have loved to have been able to get away with but couldn't because she knew "the wets" would eventually get the better of her. And they did.

If you're going to make cuts, you don't make them by pulling the rug from under the feet of those who are best placed to pull us back onto the straight and narrow.

ruddlescat wrote:
The rioting is down to young thugs with irresponsible parents who are totally out of control and who need a very large short sharp shock - a bullet up the backside might do the trick Mad


That's something that Willie Whitelaw once advocated back in the mid 80s. It made not a jot of difference then and will make not a jot of difference now. It's all a case of frightened politicians coming up with the same headline-grabbing platitudes. I don't think that even Cameron believes the rubbish contained in the scripts he's asked to read.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think anyone in the present Government is seeking to blame us for previous mistakes - as I understand it they are blaming the previous Labour Government which despite more than ten years of the best economic conditions seen for more than half a century still managed to leave us with the biggest budget deficit in history and failed to put aside any funds in the good times to cover the proverbial 'rainy day'

Margaret Thatcher was not put off undertaking many of the mistaken reforms going on now because of worrying about 'the wets' as you put it

Her Private Secretary who was MP for Chester in the 80's was a friend of mine and I know for a fact that her view was that making cuts to budgets in education and welfare benefits was a step too far which would seriously undermine her electoral prospects amongst ordinary working class people whose votes she depended on to get re elected

The reason Margaret Thatcher was unseated was exactly because the 'wets' in the party perceived that she had lost touch with the ordinary voters which was mainly as a result of the debacle over the poll tax which I think everyone now acknowledges was a mistake not to mention the sense of opportunity which arose amongst many of her political rivals

As for financial deregulation of course most people now feel that it was a big mistake but never forget that despite thirteen years in power the Labour Party not only failed to reverse it but also failed to police the financial services sector even in the most basic way using the powers which still remained so they are hardly in a position to point the finger at anyone else
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst I am as appalled as any right thinking person at the events of the past week, I also think that Shameron must take his share of the blame for what happened, after all he is the one who has savagely cut our police force. It's been suggested that the military be sent in. What a shame he's done the same to them. Much of what's left are busy in places like Afghanistan!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with much of what has been said about the cuts affecting the army and police - and yes if our army wasn't tied up in fighting futile and unwinnable wars in places in which we have no strategic interest then there might have been a chance of some deployment here in the worst areas of rioting

Don't forget in all this though who first put our troops at risk in Afghghanistan - one Mr Blair as I recall and the present Government simply inherited the situation when it took office

God only knows what will happen if the Falklands issue rears its ugly head again Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I, too was disappointed by Tony Blair towards the end of his regime. A tory with a red rose I ended up referring to him as.
As to what would happen should a Falklands situation arise, best ask messrs Shameron & Oily Osborne, those who have left our Navy with no aircraft carriers among other things.
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