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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: The future of Radio Reply with quote

In this weeks Radio Times there is an interview with Tim Davie, the man who runs BBC Radio, a former marketeer who has never worked in radio before, on the Future of Radio.

He wants us to listen to more radio on our computers, he wants to focus on speech services on Radio 1, is introducing a Books on Mayo slot during Drivetime and has a plan to create Radio 4 Extra.

But the big idea is the imminent launch of the UK Radioplayer. This promises to arrive as a pop-up player on your computer - a single website covering the whole radio industry, BBC and commercial, where you can happily jump from one programme to another.

It all sounds like the end of radio as we know it, I thought the digital switchover was bad enough, but if this guy gets his way we will have to carry a laptop around the house with us just to listen to the radio. All this is being done to attract younger listeners and possible alienate it's older ones. I don't even think he likes music, I get the impression he'd get rid of it if he could.

It makes you think that the future of radio is in safe hands Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it that these people seem to want to turn so called music stations into places where we just hear presenters who like the sound of their own voice.
Moyles on Radio 1 is a good current example and Radio 2 is heading the same way
If I want to hear intelligent talk I can tune to Radio 4 or for silly talk Talksport
If I tune to a music station I want to hear music only punctuated with intelligent chat from the presenter relevent to what is being broadcast.
I really do not understand why people can not just leave things alone when they work and just change the things that don't work
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming in time all cars will have a roaming wi-fi pick up or similar, and the days of FM and DAB end, to the swell the Govs shrinking coffers, the time will be ripe for a ...... CYBER HIT! and then ....... silence!
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:31 pm    Post subject: Re: The future of Radio Reply with quote

Moonraker wrote:
In this weeks Radio Times there is an interview with Tim Davie, the man who runs BBC Radio, a former marketeer who has never worked in radio before, on the Future of Radio.
And the man who,unsuccessfully I'm pleased to say, championed the proposal to close 6 Music... Evil or Very Mad

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/jul/07/bbc-6music-tim-davie-defends


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Assuming in time all cars will have a roaming wi-fi pick up or similar, and the days of FM and DAB end, to the swell the Govs shrinking coffers, the time will be ripe for a ...... CYBER HIT! and then ....... silence!


It can happen to FM radios as well. Mine got a hit this morning as I reached to switch it off at 6.30am and then went back to sleep.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
Why is it that these people seem to want to turn so called music stations into places where we just hear presenters who like the sound of their own voice.
Moyles on Radio 1 is a good current example and Radio 2 is heading the same way
If I want to hear intelligent talk I can tune to Radio 4 or for silly talk Talksport
If I tune to a music station I want to hear music only punctuated with intelligent chat from the presenter relevent to what is being broadcast.
I really do not understand why people can not just leave things alone when they work and just change the things that don't work


I couldn't have put it better, well said ruddlescat!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When will stereo manufacturers release digital models?

I am looking forward to the day when 6music will play in my car Very Happy obviously if it's still going by then
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When DAB is standardised across Europe, then the car manufactures can install a common DAB unit, it doesn't pay at the moment.

I had a Vauxhall with a DAB unit 5 - 6 years ago, DAB was cr@p when mobile always dropping out, I note they they stopped fitting them shortly afterwards.

FM is still head and shoulders above anything DAB can offer right now, even the time signal is accurate!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't drive, but I have a brilliant personal DAB radio, wonderful for when I am on the move
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: The future of Radio Reply with quote

Moonraker wrote:
In this weeks Radio Times there is an interview with Tim Davie, the man who runs BBC Radio, a former marketeer who has never worked in radio before, on the Future of Radio.

He wants us to listen to more radio on our computers, he wants to focus on speech services on Radio 1, is introducing a Books on Mayo slot during Drivetime and has a plan to create Radio 4 Extra.

But the big idea is the imminent launch of the UK Radioplayer. This promises to arrive as a pop-up player on your computer - a single website covering the whole radio industry, BBC and commercial, where you can happily jump from one programme to another.

It all sounds like the end of radio as we know it, I thought the digital switchover was bad enough, but if this guy gets his way we will have to carry a laptop around the house with us just to listen to the radio. All this is being done to attract younger listeners and possible alienate it's older ones. I don't even think he likes music, I get the impression he'd get rid of it if he could.

It makes you think that the future of radio is in safe hands Shocked


What we carry laptops around with us when we shop and in the car. More speech to Radio1. I think he's focusing Radio 1 on a different culture. The station is about new music etc. It will upset the younger folk who tune to the network for music. He seems to want to turn Drivetime on Radio 2 into a magazine show, like The One Show. This is why sometimes the BBC should focus on a Radio 2 extra which could feature things like this. I also thought BBC Radio 7 was that type of station.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: The future of Radio Reply with quote

[quote="mark occomore]What we carry laptops around with us when we shop and in the car. More speech to Radio1. I think he's focusing Radio 1 on a different culture. The station is about new music etc. It will upset the younger folk who tune to the network for music. He seems to want to turn Drivetime on Radio 2 into a magazine show, like The One Show. This is why sometimes the BBC should focus on a Radio 2 extra which could feature things like this. I also thought BBC Radio 7 was that type of station.[/quote]

THere already is a radio 2 Extra it's called 6 music.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:00 pm    Post subject: Re: The future of Radio Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
What we carry laptops around with us when we shop and in the car.


You don't need laptops to listen to a stream whilst out 'n about. What about ShoutCast on a mobile device like an iPhone or Android phone?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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THere already is a radio 2 Extra it's called 6 music.


Yea but I reckon 6 music is more like what 1xtra should be.

Should 2xtra not cater for the older end of the R2 age demographic?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 3:55 pm    Post subject: Re: The future of Radio Reply with quote

Moonraker wrote:
In this weeks Radio Times there is an interview with Tim Davie, the man who runs BBC Radio, a former marketeer who has never worked in radio before, on the Future of Radio.

He wants us to listen to more radio on our computers, he wants to focus on speech services on Radio 1, is introducing a Books on Mayo slot during Drivetime and has a plan to create Radio 4 Extra.

But the big idea is the imminent launch of the UK Radioplayer. This promises to arrive as a pop-up player on your computer - a single website covering the whole radio industry, BBC and commercial, where you can happily jump from one programme to another.

It all sounds like the end of radio as we know it, I thought the digital switchover was bad enough, but if this guy gets his way we will have to carry a laptop around the house with us just to listen to the radio. All this is being done to attract younger listeners and possible alienate it's older ones. I don't even think he likes music, I get the impression he'd get rid of it if he could.

It makes you think that the future of radio is in safe hands Shocked


Well I certainly don't think it's in safe hands! Why do they put someone who has never worked in Radio in charge of it? It happens in so many job situations and it's ludicrous.

There are a few things I find odd about radio at the moment. Just this morning on the Ken Bruce show as part of this First Click campaign thay are running, he had a guy on telling you how you could listen to music on the internet and only mentioned radio in passing, almost as an afterthought. Are they trying to drive us away altogether? With the programmes and presenters on 2 at the moment I'd say they are doing a good job, but some of what the guy said was quite interesting.

Another thing baffled me a bit was this push to get everyone online. Of course the penny has dropped, it's so they can say 50% of the population are listening to DAB so they can switch of FM. Of course online will count in that 50%. Talk about being sneaky..................

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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THere already is a radio 2 Extra it's called 6 music.


Yea but I reckon 6 music is more like what 1xtra should be.

Should 2xtra not cater for the older end of the R2 age demographic?


No I think that R2 normal caters for the older end, we at the younger end (not often I get to say that these days) would like to be catered for too.

Although saying that, it's just music does it have an age limit? It just doesn't have to chart to be good.
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No I think that R2 normal caters for the older end.



I don't think you'd get that reply if you asked a 75 year old if Radio 2 catered for them!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:

I don't think you'd get that reply if you asked a 75 year old if Radio 2 catered for them!

H


No point taken but it's along way from catering for the 30/40 year olds
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 year olds are Radio 1 age though undiscovered.

Great if they want to listen but they shouldn't expect shows or playlists to be geared to them. That is the main problem I think.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 year olds are not Radio 1 and haven't been post Bannister

THey seem to be the middle age group from 30 onwards we are too young for R1 and according to you too young for R2.
I am not saying that aim the station at us but shows like the ones 6music are just about music so not really age defined.

R2 already has a SOTS and used to have a pretty good 70's show but the JW version isn't so universally 70's dare I say it. Both these decades should be catered for but why no 80's?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is already loads of 80s stuff on Radio 2!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve Wright aside I don't think there is much 80's stuff on R2, the R1 DJ's of the 80's have been cast aside by Bannister and the BBC.

We still have the old influence from the Light Programme days, the 60's (Brian Matthews etc), the 70's (Johnny Walker, Suzi Quatro etc), then a big jump to the 90's (Evans, Ball, Mayo etc) - no 80's!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The DJs may have been cast aside but there are plenty of 80s tracks played on Radio 2. Maybe you don't listen to the right shows. There are a lot on JV for instance.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

helen, you miss my point I am saying that maybe an 80's show rather than just expect it mixed in with the regular shows.

Maybe it's getting to the time where "normal" daytime shows are replaced by specialised shows like the ones that R2 does best but only gets air time late in the evening ?
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Sorry I see what you are getting at now.

Not sure if an 80s show would go down that well to be honest.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not my cup of tea either but to discount a whole section of the R2 audience who are aged 40+ who were out and about during the 80's is missing a trick.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Launch date for UK Radioplayer has been announced as 31 March 2011. See link

http://radiotoday.co.uk/news.php?extend.6794.2
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Its says:

The service is only designed to work on devices with Flash installed, so listening on iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch is not possible.

Are they reinventing the wheel? I've used "TuneIn Radio" on my Android phone for ages and its absolutely fantastic.
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Anybody who creates a Mobile App in Adobe Flash is 100% Completely Barmy. Objective C is now the default coding language for mobile web devices (as used by Apple and others) and by using Flash they're cutting out a massive slice of their potential user-base. How stupid!

Flash is fine for standard web interfaces but is quickly giving way to HTML5-based browser applications.

You're right, "Tune-In Radio" is a much better app; it costs 59p in the UK and can be used on both Apple and Android platforms. It's the best 59p I've spent in years!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:


It can happen to FM radios as well. Mine got a hit this morning as I reached to switch it off at 6.30am and then went back to sleep.


Made I larf! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Sorry wrong thread!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to TuneIn Radio, I now wake up, and walk to and from work listening to Radcliffe and Maconie. See ya, Mr. E.
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NickSheffield wrote:
Thanks to TuneIn Radio, I now wake up, and walk to and from work listening to Radcliffe and Maconie. See ya, Mr. E.


Yes, the liberation from other people's schedules is fabulous, isn't it. That's why I say (often) that there's a mass of increasingly accessible audio programming out there now, and we really don't have to put up with the kind of nonsense (at breakfast or otherwise) that R2 dishes up these days.

There's a world full of good audio broadcasting out there, and the more I sample it the more I realise that R2 programmes like Evans' breakfast "show" is just, er, naff.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
The DJs may have been cast aside but there are plenty of 80s tracks played on Radio 2. Maybe you don't listen to the right shows. There are a lot on JV for instance.

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Unfortunately they are mostly ruined by some inept presenter talking over them, cutting them short, not playing the lead-in, etc.
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I think it's better to listen to one's favourite music via means other than radio, these days; after all, if we're into, say, 80s music, then it's far better to use Spotify or one's own iTunes collection. Who needs the kind of moronic, inane chatter we get between tracks on R2 these days?

I had the misfortune to hear the first few minutes of the Captain Gobby show at 6.30am today, and the first bit of music he played was one of my favourite songs by The Eagles which was duly interrupted by the silly, attention-seeking, presenter blowing that ridiculous horn of his in rhythm to the music.

It reminded me of "Tiswas", in fact (only "Tiswas" was actually funny).

It's OK, though. TuneIn Radio came to the rescue.
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Has anyone managed to get onto the UK Radio Player? I tried the link from the article on BBC News but it appears to be broken.
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I hadn't realised it was starting up today Graham. I did notice that the radio 'window' for iPlayer has a slightly different look to it today though.

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Works for me, but as it's Flash-based, the question is: how long, and can I bothered waiting...?
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graham b wrote:
Has anyone managed to get onto the UK Radio Player? I tried the link from the article on BBC News but it appears to be broken.


Works fine for me, although I notice some websites are linking to radioplayer.co.uk rather than www.radioplayer.co.uk. Unfortunatley this is a website where missing out the "www." makes difference, it doesn't with a lot.
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The ability to call the URI without the "www" is dependent on how the browser handles it rather than anything server-side. I use Safari and Chrome on my Mac and PCs and it's never a problem.
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ColinB wrote:
The ability to call the URI without the "www" is dependent on how the browser handles it rather than anything server-side. I use Safari and Chrome on my Mac and PCs and it's never a problem.


The browser can do a bodge for URLs without "www", but the Radio Player web site hosting company only need to register radioplayer.co.uk for DNS as well as www.radioplayer.co.uk for it to work for everyone. You would have thought professionals in online distribution would have thought about that one...

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