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Should job hogging over 50s resign?

 
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Angela W



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:11 am    Post subject: Should job hogging over 50s resign? Reply with quote

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17855240

With retirement getting further away with each Government's changes who is going to keep us?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always advised everyone to set up and maintain a personal pension as early in life as possible because that way you know you are guaranteed a payout at any chosen age over 55 and even if you are unlucky enough to have the pension provider go bust 90% of the fund is guaranteed by the Government up to quite a high amount

I've never believed in paying any more than I legally have to into the state pension arrangements quite simply because it only takes a single vote in Parliament to take away years of contributions if the powers that be decide it can't be afforded so all your money can end up completely wasted

We need to get away from the current system where the present working population pays for the pensions of retired people and move to a compulsory system in which everyone is required to contribute to their own personal pension fund during their working life so that in retirement they are not dependant on anyone else Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. But if every 50 year old gave up work today, there wouldn't be enough young people to fill the spaces - so then we would have to choose which 50 year olds get the chop. It's like Logan's Run in the world of employment. Cool beans!

The problem of course is nothing to do with over 50 years olds hogging all the jobs. The problem is that we no longer have a diverse and huge manufacturing-base in this country: couple that with a generation of young folk with worthless degrees- a cheap and cruel trick by Labour to keep the unemployment figures low. We have very few jobs at the bottom end, and an army of inappropriately educated, overly qualified, overly expectant graduates who don’t want to do the jobs that are there, they want to go straight to the top because they’ve been taught to expect that, they’ve been taught there is no such thing as failure. Well check it out. There is, and we’re all part of the result of that failure. It was called New Labour.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see Rachel. You don't think that education has any value except as a means of getting a job?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well without it, E.L. it's difficult, though not impossible to find a professional job, so it's certainly the primary purpose of education but there are other benefits in being a well-educated well-rounded person, but it seems pointless to me, to spend nearly twenty years of your life in education to end up on the dole because you plumped for a degree in Knitting.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Young people expecting to get managerial positions straight out of further education isn't new, although it had slipped my mind!

Back in the late 70s in one of my airline (ground ) jobs we used to get work experience students from the travel and tourism department of Durham college. All of them expected to get jobs as travel agent managers the minute they finished their courses! Some were good but others complained about stamping boarding cards (it was pre computer days) with destinations and flt numbers, saying it was like working in a post office...................

Getting back to the 50s folk giving up their jobs for younger ones, well I've a neighbour who was lucky enough not to have to work. When asked why she wasn't looking for a job she used to say 'I'm leaving a place for a younger person' but used to say people thought she was a bit mad!

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of my pet corns. Quite agree that more needs to be done to find young people work but how can we give up our jobs when the government wants to delay the payment of pensions?

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

R2Icon wrote:
Interesting. But if every 50 year old gave up work today, there wouldn't be enough young people to fill the spaces - so then we would have to choose which 50 year olds get the chop.


Agreed. It's all a complete wind-up in my opinion. If all 50+ people got the chop who would do the training of younger people? Who would be in a position to pass on the acquired skills of the more experienced, mature worker?

And what about the self-employed and business owners who are 50+? It could well be that without them the business would get the chop too.

It's a very silly idea that originates from people who have too much time on their hands.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree it's a silly idea but maybe people in their late 60s should have to retire, which would perhaps free up some jobs for younger people.

I shudder to think how many skills will be lost if skills aren't passed down to younger people.

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
Agree it's a silly idea but maybe people in their late 60s should have to retire, which would perhaps free up some jobs for younger people.


But what jobs, exactly? Whilst it's true that we're seeing a resurgence in "traditional" crafts which are attracting a new generation of practitioners, they still require craftspeople with lifelong skills to work with younger people ("apprenticeships" as they used be called until Thatcher pushed them aside but thankfully coming back to the fore now) as part of the skills transfer process. It's all about long-term mentoring, too; kick out the over 60s and you're back to square one.

And another thing - the "new economies" of the world require new skills; just look at web and mobile apps development and all of the skillsets that surround it. Those jobs can only come from investment in ideas, entrepreneurship, resources and people. And it's younger people who will provide the solutions required - not those in their late 60s.

That's why I think this whole "give up your job when 50+" thing is actually a smokescreen. Jobs are created through innovation and investment - plain and simple.

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Nice to see you back ColinB!


Thanks Helen. Major family health issues have made the year very traumatic, but life goes on.......
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2012 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In simple terms the job that the older person was doing. I know it's not particularly innovative but a job is a job at the end of the day!

I'm sure most of us would prefer not to work beyond the retirement age (whatever that is in the future) but so many people are and it's these people I'm meaning. Of course that opens up the pension minefield which is something else altogether.......

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