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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

essexlady wrote:
I am sure it is Melanie Phillips who rants on about autism and the MMR vaccination though.


She probably does - but so does Fiona sadly. There's an army of them out there.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would describe Madeley as an okay listen. Nothing wrong with it really but little that would get me rushing to the Radio to switch it on again. At least he dosn't shout at me.

I note by the way that RM does not qualify for a celebrity nrewsreader with all respect to Charles Nove.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he is doing really well. He has been "dropped into the hot seat" with very little time to acquire a BBC Radio 2 established following. I just wonder if this was intentional. He has however acquitted himself well in just two days. Give him a chance to settle in and i am sure he will relax into the role, he was much better this morning and his interaction with Bobbi Prior was superb when she went off on her tangent Laughing about detentions. It does seem strange that on three separate holiday periods three different presenters have been used. Richard Allinson and Graham Norton were both TOO successful, and obviously could not be given a second opportunity to shine. So now a third person is given the role and guess what he too is doing well after day two. Two full weeks and then we will see how he has really done.. Perhaps its just a fact that they basically do not want any one to outshine the "favoured one".
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Richard Allinson and Graham Norton were both TOO successful, and obviously could not be given a second opportunity to shine. So now a third person is given the role and guess what he too is doing well after day two. Two full weeks and then we will see how he has really done.. Perhaps its just a fact that they basically do not want any one to outshine the "favoured one".


Let's not create too much of a conspiracy theory here. Perhaps the reason Graham was trialled over the past two sets of Evans holidays was to bed him in before he starts the Saturday show. Seen as he starts this Saturday, he can't very well be expected to stand in for breakfast this time as he's about to launch.

As for Madeley - how do we know he isn't also being trialled for something?

It's a shame Richard Allinson isn't being given any more opportunities, but I find it very hard to accept it's because he's 'too good'.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The difference between Chris Evans and Richard Madeley on breakfast is all about the live production. Chris Evans bodysurfs his way through his show on a tidal wave of jingles, background music and cardinal point identifiers, so the listener has to do very little- it’s obvious what’s going on and where in the show he is; it’s the same every day, so it becomes a familiar clock of sounds from which the listener can measure the progress of the morning. Richard Madeley is just a guy talking between tracks about stuff that requires the listener to actually listen properly,which is difficult when you're getting ready for the day ahead, there are few jingles and no, between the news, cardinal identifiers – so the show feels like it’s dragging because the warm, familiar chimes of progress are missing.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never found it a problem to listen to Wogan had to say and you needed to concentrate on what he was saying! I want something other than jingles and stupid people calling in at that time of the morning.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel - I'm not bothered whether or not a show has cardinal identifiers (wow - that's a new one on me! Smile ), I just want a presenter who is interesting to listen and to whom I can relate.

Oh, and I absolutely positively unequivocably indeniably hate all this "text or email us with your stories about............".

Aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!

There. That's better.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rachel wrote:
The difference between Chris Evans and Richard Madeley on breakfast is all about the live production. Chris Evans bodysurfs his way through his show on a tidal wave of jingles, background music and cardinal point identifiers, so the listener has to do very little- it’s obvious what’s going on and where in the show he is; it’s the same every day, so it becomes a familiar clock of sounds from which the listener can measure the progress of the morning. Richard Madeley is just a guy talking between tracks about stuff that requires the listener to actually listen properly,which is difficult when you're getting ready for the day ahead, there are few jingles and no, between the news, cardinal identifiers – so the show feels like it’s dragging because the warm, familiar chimes of progress are missing.


Err.... Confused So morons rule OK? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woah! Mule! I’m not advocating one style over the other- just pointing out the difference. It’s like the Flintstones moment on the coach in Planes Trains and Automobiles… Three Coins in a Fountain… come on you guys know this….. Three Coins in a Fountain…da da da da… Flintstones. Meet the Flintstones…. Etc etc……


Colin, I'm in shock- you don't know what a Cardinal Identifier is?! Do I have to go right back to the start.... First of all, there was Adam...... Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Rach, I didn't mean that to sound like it did - I was rushing to post before we went out for the evening.

The fact is, I think you've got a point there. Too much stuff on R2 these days seems to be targeted at the lowest common denominator. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Colin, I'm in shock- you don't know what a Cardinal Identifier is?! Do I have to go right back to the start.... First of all, there was Adam...... Smile


To be honest, I don't think the likes of John Peel ever bothered with Cardinal Identifiers either! Smile

Anyway, talking about back to the start, I'm obviously out of touch. I'm wiring up an audio patchbay and I understand that B-Gauge Type 316 PO Jacks are now obsolete, and that Canford Audio's substitute tinsel coated audio patchcords (you know the sort - the red ones) can cost £21.00 each. Yes - EACH!!!! Shocked

Ebay here we come. Again....

PS to others: Rachel does know what I'm waffling on about. She's been there and worn the t-shirt, so to speak.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a bit lost with these last few posts so I will just stick to the subject. Positive - I have actually been able to listen to the breakfast show this week. Negative - it has been difficult to get out of bed as it is very boring and nearly sent me back to sleep. I think Richard would be more suited to the Jeremy Vine spot or a Sunday morning as he has the wrong sort of voice to be a real dj (not that ther are many of them about nowadays)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was thinking the same myself Gutsygub. He was okay on that Sunday he did Michael Ball's show but don't think he has got the voice for the Breakfast show.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Was thinking the same myself Gutsygub. He was okay on that Sunday he did Michael Ball's show but don't think he has got the voice for the Breakfast show.

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What kind of voice does it!! ( meaning breakfast ) need?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What kind of voice does it!! ( meaning breakfast ) need?


One that doesn't shout and rely almost entirely on silly "features" and sycophants in the studio, one that doesn't talk incessant rubbish or one that doesn't prattle on and on about nothing in particular whilst depending upon a stream of free content provided by gullible listeners.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One that doesn't shout and rely almost entirely on silly "features" and sycophants in the studio, one that doesn't talk incessant rubbish or one that doesn't prattle on and on about nothing in particular whilst depending upon a stream of free content provided by gullible listeners.




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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Helen May wrote:
Was thinking the same myself Gutsygub. He was okay on that Sunday he did Michael Ball's show but don't think he has got the voice for the Breakfast show.

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What kind of voice does it!! ( meaning breakfast ) need?


One that sounds a bit more like a DJ and less like a journalist which he is. Think of Parky doing the breakfast show and maybe you'll get my gist Smile

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:


One that doesn't shout and rely almost entirely on silly "features" and sycophants in the studio, one that doesn't talk incessant rubbish or one that doesn't prattle on and on about nothing in particular whilst depending upon a stream of free content provided by gullible listeners.


If you were minded to, Colin, you could with some justification claim that Wogan was guilty of the very same "offences", apart from the shouting of course.

The difference was of course that Wogan was entertaining; OK I'm fully aware that he didn't float everyone's boat, and my dislike of the perpetual CIN plugging is well known on here, but he's far more missed than Evans will be.

As to the question of the "breakfast voice"; I can't be alone in wishing to be spoken to rather than shouted at. Evans would be so much better if he didn't try to be so damned manic all the time.

I'm still of the opinion that Graham Norton has been by far the best "new"presenter since Wogan's retirement.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally agree, Graham Norton is the only one who I have listened to in the breakfast slot who has made me chuckle, and how I miss that in the morning!
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ColinB wrote:


One that doesn't shout and rely almost entirely on silly "features" and sycophants in the studio, one that doesn't talk incessant rubbish or one that doesn't prattle on and on about nothing in particular whilst depending upon a stream of free content provided by gullible listeners.


If you were minded to, Colin, you could with some justification claim that Wogan was guilty of the very same "offences", apart from the shouting of course.


That's true. But then again I didn't listen to Wogan that often, either.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Getting bored with the "Judy says...." and "Judy does..." now.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
One that doesn't shout and rely almost entirely on silly "features" and sycophants in the studio, one that doesn't talk incessant rubbish or one that doesn't prattle on and on about nothing in particular whilst depending upon a stream of free content provided by gullible listeners.


If you look at the breakfast shows on Classic FM and Radio 4 they manage to get along fine without them! I pointed this out on the other forum when someone was trying to defend silly jingles and features, but my reply strangely got deleted....
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Gnasty Gnome wrote:
ColinB wrote:


One that doesn't shout and rely almost entirely on silly "features" and sycophants in the studio, one that doesn't talk incessant rubbish or one that doesn't prattle on and on about nothing in particular whilst depending upon a stream of free content provided by gullible listeners.


If you were minded to, Colin, you could with some justification claim that Wogan was guilty of the very same "offences", apart from the shouting of course.

The difference was of course that Wogan was entertaining; OK I'm fully aware that he didn't float everyone's boat, and my dislike of the perpetual CIN plugging is well known on here, but he's far more missed than Evans will be.

As to the question of the "breakfast voice"; I can't be alone in wishing to be spoken to rather than shouted at. Evans would be so much better if he didn't try to be so damned manic all the time.

I'm still of the opinion that Graham Norton has been by far the best "new"presenter since Wogan's retirement.


Gnasty Gnome - how I agree about Graham Norton - I also thoroughly enjoyed him and he made me laugh, just like the old days. As Johnnie Walker didn't take that role, he should have been the natural replacement. I remember the old MB banging on about needing something lively in the morning, no we don't, just something entertaining. Seems some get confused with the two.
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Jill Hickman wrote:
[I remember the old MB banging on about needing something lively in the morning, no we don't, just something entertaining. Seems some get confused with the two.


Exactly Jill, you don't have to shout to be entertaining!

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Hello Helen,

I too caught the Fran Healey reference.... as did my colleagues in the office who were listening with me (we're allowed the radio on nowadays!).

RM sounds bland and a little out of his depth, as if he isn't entirely sure of what's happening at any given moment. He is, however, preferable in lieu of the normal presenter (IMHO, of course). If he cut out the references to his wife, playing of Taylor Swift songs each day (to please his daughter) and references to the forthcoming CiN bash, I'd be happier.

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He has been a welcome change from the "incumbent" even Johnny Saunders sounds normal. However, he does appear to have had a few tips from the "great one". He was much better when he covered dear Sarah's show some time ago. All the use of the word "fun" and "text me", "email me", just seen on "twitter" "facebook" etc UG it just smacks of desperation. Reading them out verbatim is just not interesting Chris Evans does it all the time. If it is genuinely funny read it out if not forget it and stick to voice and good music. He can do both, he started out as a DJ for Radio Carlisle so knows his way round the job, I think he's been told what to do and say by the powers above.

As to DJ's who are available to fill the "great ones boots" and please me in the mornings permanent changes preferred please Very Happy

Johnny Walker, Richard Allinson, Tony Blackburn, not a proper DJ but did a very good job Graham Norton and of course Sarah Kennedy.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With you there Oldgreymare, seems like he has had instructions not to vary at all from the great one's output.
How about having Sarah Kennedy to cover his next break.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While Richard seems like a pleasant fella it all feels a trifle dull to me.
As people said earlier his voice doesn't seem quite right for Radio.
AS for the music it has been like another Ken Bruce show, bland bland bland, apart from the 2, million sellers tracks which at least managed to include the Righteous Brothers who are never played during the daytime now.
As for being under instructions to be like Chris's show I can't see where that is coming from at all, totally different.
And Jill people aren't being confused between being lively and being entertained, people have different views to you, or maybe you're being confused by that!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gazmando wrote:
As for being under instructions to be like Chris's show I can't see where that is coming from at all, totally different.


Really? The show sounds to me like the producer's been told to keep it moving like Chris's show and make sure that it's filled with the same banal "interactive" rubbish that Chris's show contains. The only significant difference is the voice, in my view.
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AS for the music it has been like another Ken Bruce show, bland bland bland, apart from the 2, million sellers tracks which at least managed to include the Righteous Brothers who are never played during the daytime now.
As for being under instructions to be like Chris's show I can't see where that is coming from at all, totally different.


So gazmando WHY is Richard's music so bland, could it be that the producer hs been told to dumb down the show Chris does play some good music "the only redeeming factor" of the dreadful CEBS. So why does Richard end up with such dross. He is a very good DJ, he was excellent when he stood in for Sarah Kennedy, I was one of his ardent supporters following that initial outing on R2.

Now when I listen to him in the mornings and he keep going on about "were going to have FUN" WTF! It all sounds so false and not his normal style, he is being constrained, in my opinion.

So why is it that permies get the good music and the holiday covers get the "Bland" bring back "Barrowlands" as least he knew his way around the music catalogue!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:08 am    Post subject: Richard Madeley covering Chris Evans Reply with quote

Why did someone in the studio not pick him up on the Fran Healy gaffe?
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This man's knowledge of music is damn near zero as was proved by the Fran Healey thing
I recall the days when you needed a detailed musical knowledge to be a radio presenter
Now the qualities seem to be an ability to ape the usual presenter with typical inane drivel and to know who happens to be appearing on a particular TV show at any given time
Presenters need musical experience and failure to have it is an insult to their audience
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:56 am    Post subject: Re: Richard Madeley covering Chris Evans Reply with quote

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Why did someone in the studio not pick him up on the Fran Healy gaffe?


The same was said by Sarah about her show poor show at the beginning of August. Maybe he/she was scared of the presenter?

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Looking at the tracks played it's not quite as bland as I thought.
Just that when you had Kylies new song then Enriques new song, then JLS, followed by KB with a "dance remix" of Leo Sayer followed by Joe McElderry(?) it just makes me soooo annoyed.
As for Barrowlands, Oldgreymare I feel that Terry's show really took a turn for the worse musically when he took over.
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NickSheffield wrote:
essexlady wrote:
I am sure it is Melanie Phillips who rants on about autism and the MMR vaccination though.


She probably does - but so does Fiona sadly. There's an army of them out there.


Thick, irresponsible broadcasters and MMR? Try this one for size:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeni_Barnett

Google or YouTube 'Jeni Barnett' and you read the whole transcript or listen to the call.

Wow! What a stupid person Barnett is.
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Looking at the tracks played it's not quite as bland as I thought.


Uh? Shocked
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TheWalkingDude wrote:


Google or YouTube 'Jeni Barnett' and you read the whole transcript or listen to the call. .


Yes, Ben Goldacre is a bit of a hero of mine - one of the few voices of reason we have left in the media.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon Richard Madeley could have been the new Wogan, if for one the station wasn't moving towards the theme it's trying to portrayal. Another if Richard wanted the show.
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No way Mark Shocked

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Why not Helen? He connects so well with the listeners.
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