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kengeo
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 Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:15 pm Post subject: All Request Friday |
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Why does an intelligent broadcaster like Simon Mayo persist with this hangover from Evans' days?
I was unfortunate to catch this dross on a long drive down to Cornwall on Friday, is anyone really interested in the fact that Wayne and Tracy are on their way to pick up their Labrador puppy and are eating apples and pineapple cubes on their journey?
If this show must remain, come on Simon at least rename it, and give it your own stamp.
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I don't listen to the show because, at the risk of being accused of elitism or musical snobbery, I don't trust the British public with choosing the music. That should be up to the professionals. OK, the Radio 2 producers do pick a load of dross on their daytime shows (just listen to Ken Bruce!)but they do tend to know what they're doing and are paid for it.
Ask the public what they want and all you'll get is the usual fodder: ELO, Abba, Queen etc.). |
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mark occomore
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| It's called interact with the listeners. |
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nod
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:54 am Post subject: Re: All Request Friday |
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| kengeo wrote: | Why does an intelligent broadcaster like Simon Mayo persist with this hangover from Evan's days?
If this show must remain, come on Simon at least rename it, and give it your own stamp. |
He seems to have simply taken the script from CEs drivetime shows and carried on, incl the Thursday food / drink slot, the business news etc (which I used to enjoy with CE) and all he's added is old bits from his R1 days eg Confessions.
No new ideas I can see, thats probably why I find the show dull and boring  |
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kengeo
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:56 am Post subject: |
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So Mark, do you think that the people that phone in are a fair representation of the R2 audience?
I think not, just the same type that are heard on the megaphone and hello goodbye slots. IMO most of us just ain't interested in what they're up to. |
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ColinB
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| mark occomore wrote: | | It's called interact with the listeners. |
No it isn't. It's called "a cop-out". |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| I wish they let Radders & Maccaronni take over Drivetime. I'd tune in then |
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nod
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| kengeo wrote: | So Mark, do you think that the people that phone in are a fair representation of the R2 audience?
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I'd like to know what happens if you ring up and ask for something from an album or more obscure, do they simply say no or get you to suggest something they have in their limited list of 'popular' tunes ? |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| Schizoidman wrote: | I don't listen to the show because, at the risk of being accused of elitism or musical snobbery, I don't trust the British public with choosing the music. That should be up to the professionals. OK, the Radio 2 producers do pick a load of dross on their daytime shows (just listen to Ken Bruce!)but they do tend to know what they're doing and are paid for it.
Ask the public what they want and all you'll get is the usual fodder: ELO, Abba, Queen etc.). |
Schiz - seems someone's read your posts. He's playing some corkers today! Best show of his I've heard in ages. Hope it continues, but I'm not holding my breath. |
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kengeo
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'd like to know what happens if you ring up and ask for something from an album or more obscure |
Good point, checking back on Fridays playlist, it looks like he only used The Best Super Party Hits In The World Vol 47.......(disc 2)........  |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:32 am Post subject: |
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I'd normally say that I hate shows like this, and breakfast, which interact with the public.
But then at 8pm I listen to R&M and love the interaction there! |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Schizoidman wrote: | | Ask the public what they want and all you'll get is the usual fodder: ELO, Abba, Queen etc.). |
I agreee Schizoidman it's the same old overplayed songs every week. I don't listen that often on Fridays.
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I'd like to know what happens if you ring up and ask for something from an album or more obscure, do they simply say no or get you to suggest something they have in their limited list of 'popular' tunes ? |
The other week someone said "you haven't got my first choice" which was relevant to her reason for calling,"so I'll have to have this............." She did say what it was but I can't remember the title. It confirmed what I always thought that it's a very limited selection that they use.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:47 am Post subject: |
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The real choice for listeners I think might be somewhat more limited than we are led to believe
Obviously every caller speaks with a researcher first before going on air so how do we know that what is purported to have been choosen really is the caller's choice
For all we know they could be told by an operative sorry we don't have that track but you can go on air and request this one if you wish
Call me cynical you might but I don't think most people have much idea of how listeners can get manipulated
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| Gibbo wrote: | I'd normally say that I hate shows like this, and breakfast, which interact with the public.
But then at 8pm I listen to R&M and love the interaction there! |
I think its a careful balance. Interaction can be good BUT only if it is controlled and not the main stay of the shows.
The shows that simply use the listeners to text/email in on a thought up topic are just time fillers to me for DJs who have no ideas or anything worth talking about. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Soulsis: I was thinking exactly the same! The music was far better today than usual. The superb Valerie by Amy W and Mark Ronson, The Love I Lost- a great Philly song, and the great Boogie Oogie Oogie (normally I criticise KB for the 70s disco). Then (according to the playlist, as I only heard the first few songs) the sublime Some Of Your Loving by Dusty -though that was a track of someone's years.
I just wonder if it's a different producer this week. Hopefully Gary Bones is on a long holiday as he's responsible for the dirge that KB normally gets lumbered with.
Ruddles: I think that the presenters on request shows like Mayo on Friday just have Greatest Hits CDs with them. So when Joe Public requests Dancing Queen, no problem, just pull out Abba's greatest hits. But if he requests a more obscure track like The Eagle or Our Last Summer, oops there's a problem, they haven't got the relevant CD so can't play it.
There was a classic moment about two months ago when Lisa Tarbuck was asked to play something reasonably obscure-an album track or something-which clearly she didn't have (or had not heard of). 'Can't we play some Abba or Queen?' was her pitiful reply. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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I think that Drivetime is brilliant. Simon's show is the only R2 programme that I listen to on a regular basis. I have to admit the all request show is the weakest show of the week but Monday to Thursday Simon in my opinion is just brilliant.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| There's little excuse for "not having the track" since very few tracks are played from CD these days. Most stuff plays off the central server system, which is great a big equivalent of iTunes with more bells & whistles. So, when they say they don't have the track, what they mean is that the producer doesn't want to pull it from the server! |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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I agree Dharma Simon has always oused quality whatever network he has been on
I actually like All Request Friday but it is a pity we don't get a wider variety of music there
It probably goes back to what has been said in previous posts
To me the weekend always starts there
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kengeo
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't get the Simon Mayo thing. I just find him incredibly monotone and boring - sorry! |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: All request Friday |
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| Please let's have Johnnie Walker back on Drivetime. |
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Kingman, my heart always misses a beat when I see your name.. my favourite Santa Fe steam engine lives in Kingman Arizona... 
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| SantaFefan wrote: | | Kingman, my heart always misses a beat when I see your name.. |
Official: It's love......  |
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RockitRon
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| Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| ColinB wrote: | | There's little excuse for "not having the track" since very few tracks are played from CD these days. Most stuff plays off the central server system, which is great a big equivalent of iTunes with more bells & whistles. So, when they say they don't have the track, what they mean is that the producer doesn't want to pull it from the server! |
Funnily enough I've heard Mark Radcliffe say the same thing, on more than one occasion, and on others, that they've had to "go somewhere else" for a certain track.
In the "old days" the BBC Record Library was famous for holding every record which had ever been issued commercially in this country. I wonder how comprehensive their "central server system" is nowadays?
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| RockitRon wrote: | | In the "old days" the BBC Record Library was famous for holding every record which had ever been issued commercially in this country. I wonder how comprehensive their "central server system" is nowadays? |
Anything that was acquired on CD or other digital file is easy to get into the system because the essential metadata (the data that describes the content) goes with it just like Gracenote data fills in an iTunes import, but analogue sources on disc and tape need this data to be input manually and that's a different ballgame which costs time and money.
These days, the record companies don't have submit their new releases on CD - they only have a login to the system and upload it (plus metadata) themselves. It's possible for a presenter to play a new track within 60 seconds of a record company submitting it because it flags in a "latest uploads" list on the system which is accessible right across the BBC network.
The computer that is at the heart of every DJ console can pull the file, have it cued and on the press of a button (and an open fader) it plays out. |
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| RockitRon wrote: |
Funnily enough I've heard Mark Radcliffe say the same thing, on more than one occasion, and on others, that they've had to "go somewhere else" for a certain track.
In the "old days" the BBC Record Library was famous for holding every record which had ever been issued commercially in this country. I wonder how comprehensive their "central server system" is nowadays? |
Didn't I hear CE say once there was a choice of 45,000 tracks ? Which to me is poor as my ipod has 18,000 and that certainly doesn't cover everyones tastes. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| kengeo wrote: | | I don't get the Simon Mayo thing. I just find him incredibly monotone and boring - sorry! |
He always sounds a bit cynical and bored to me, just doing the same old thing. |
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kengeo
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Maybe its the fact that his show has to follow the same format as his predessor, and he's not being allowed to be his own man.
IMO Wogans departure has been a disaster for BBC radio causing a domino effect, with each replacement not fitting the bill (Evans for Wogan, Mayo for Evans, Bacon for Mayo and Livsley for Bacon). All missed opportunities. |
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Of course the standard for Drivetme in recent years was set by Johnnie Walker with Stuart Maconie coming a very close second but I find Simon Mayo's show very enjoyable as well. I agree that the Friday Request Show isn't wonderful but still OK. Just think who Simon replaced and thank your god. Now if only the morning show (rapidly expanding  ) could get a new presenter........ |
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| nod wrote: | | Didn't I hear CE say once there was a choice of 45,000 tracks ? Which to me is poor as my ipod has 18,000 and that certainly doesn't cover everyones tastes. |
He may have been talking about the old Carousel system which was reputedly living in the basement of BH and which stored physical CDs which were accessed by the computer system and played in to the DJ console as required. Johnnie Walker used to talk about whether or not a given CD was "on the Carousel yet" etc etc.
The current system has a huge capacity with more material being added every hour. |
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I remember when the needle used to slip off in heavy seas... 
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| SantaFefan wrote: | | I remember when the needle used to slip off in heavy seas... |
However, thanks to those heavy-duty Gates turntables it didn't happen that often!!!  |
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| kengeo wrote: | | IMO Wogans departure has been a disaster for BBC radio causing a domino effect, with each replacement not fitting the bill (Evans for Wogan, Mayo for Evans, Bacon for Mayo and Livsley for Bacon). All missed opportunities. |
I like Mayo, I can tolerate Evans, and Livesey is fine... but Bacon is an absolute disaster in that afternoon slot. Every guest run rings around him, and he doesn't even bother listening to what they have to say. Yesterday's encounter with Michael Parkinson was painful. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:58 am Post subject: All Request Friday |
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Some Of Your Loving will be Phil Collins's choice on Tracks Of My Years.
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??? It was on yesterday.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:33 am Post subject: |
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What do you think the odds of Simon playing any of the following would be, should I ring up this Friday?
"Fight Test" - The Flaming Lips, "Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots"
"Back Of My Hand" - Gemma Hayes, "Night On My Side"
"One Day" - Polly Paulusma, "Scissors In My Pocket"
"Careful With That Hat" - Citay, "Dream Get Together"
"Not Behind The Fighter Jet" - Guided By Voices, "Mag Earwhig!"
Hmmm.....
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I like Mayo, I can tolerate Evans, and Livesey is fine... but Bacon is an absolute disaster in that afternoon slot. Every guest run rings around him, and he doesn't even bother listening to what they have to say. Yesterday's encounter with Michael Parkinson was painful. |
I can't comment on Parkinson's interview, but I have to say that I hold Bacon in great esteem as a broadcaster quite simply because he does it differently - it's 'knowingly theatre', the way he parodies the art of radio makes me smile.
But I can see why it rubs some people up the wrong way.
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| Cherskiy wrote: | What do you think the odds of Simon playing any of the following would be, should I ring up this Friday?
"Fight Test" - The Flaming Lips, "Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots"
"Back Of My Hand" - Gemma Hayes, "Night On My Side"
"One Day" - Polly Paulusma, "Scissors In My Pocket"
"Careful With That Hat" - Citay, "Dream Get Together"
"Not Behind The Fighter Jet" - Guided By Voices, "Mag Earwhig!"
Hmmm..... |
Radio 2 listeners would wonder if they had retuned to someone else |
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