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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:17 pm    Post subject: Old Classics Reply with quote

Good to hear both 'Sweet Home Alabama' and 'Come up and see me (make me smile)' this morning, I thought these old regulars had been put out to grass with the new R2 format.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Er... are you being ironic and satirical here? Sweet Home Alabama is a fine record, but don't you think Radio 2 should occasionally play something else by them, apart from the equally superb Freebird?
(though Janice Long did play Simple Man a month ago).

And as for Come Up And See Me....
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Er... are you being ironic and satirical here? Sweet Home Alabama is a fine record, but don't you think Radio 2 should occasionally play something else by them, apart from the equally superb Freebird?
(though Janice Long did play Simple Man a month ago).

And as for Come Up And See Me....


Ironic ? Satirical? Moi ? Wink Very Happy

These records have been flogged to death on R2 for years, I don't mind hearing them once in a while BUT they've been played endlessly. A pity they don't look through the groups past catalogue and find some others they did.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A pity they don't look through the groups past catalogue and find some others they did.


I don't think they can be bothered, to be honest. I'm sure they use the system to suggest titles within a given genre in exactly the same way that Apple's "Genius" playlist tool does in iTunes (the underlying software technology is the same, after all).

A lot of Radio 2's programme producers give every indication of being quite lazy, actually.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did Steve Harley do any other songs then ?

Colin, I use the Genius tool on itunes as it's slightly better than the normal random in the DJshuffle, but it is a little predictable I might as well done it myself.

postal dvd firms like lovefilm have been trying to find a way of predicting films in much the same way but they have come across an anomoly they call the Napolean Dynamyte problem, where a film like the afor mentioned surprises people that wouldn't normally like that sort of thing so do Genius type things have an Abba problem or Neil Diamond etc etc
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did Steve Harley do any other songs then ?


Cockney Rebel was one of the best touring bands who played college gigs up and down the country in the 70s. They were very, very good. Alas, "Come Up And See Me" is all they're remembered for, thanks to the laziness of radio music producers. It's much the same story with Mott The Hoople; they're known to the masses only for "All The Young Dudes" - which was the result of their collaboration with David Bowie - but before that breakthrough single they also toured extensively and were a fabulous rock band. Ian Hunter could really belt 'em out and the band always produced a great set. We had both bands at our college several times and they never failed to please the crowd.

I bet if you asked the likes of Gary Bones to programme a Mott The Hoople track into the KB show, he'd choose "Dudes". However, I bet if you asked somebody like David Jensen over on Planet Rock, you'd get a much more interesting selection.

undiscovered wrote:
Colin, I use the Genius tool on itunes as it's slightly better than the normal random in the DJshuffle, but it is a little predictable I might as well done it myself.


Yes, I only dabbled with Genius when it was first introduced but I always found myself querying the choices so I gave up with it and now call on my own playlists instead.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely agree with Colin's comments about Mott the Hoople and Cockney Rebel

I remember going to see Mott the Hoople when I was at University in Leicester in 1974 and it still remains in my memory as one of the best nights out I ever had

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did Steve Harley do any other songs then ?



They even have a 'greatest hits' for those who don't want to venture too far Very Happy

1. Make Me Smile (Come Up And See Me)
2. Judy Teen
3. Here Comes The Sun
4. I Believe Love's A Prima Donna
5. Best Years Of Our Lives
6. Another Journey
7. Freedom's Prisoner
8. Tumbling Down
9. Mr Raffles (Man It Was Mean)
10. Roll The Dice
11. Psychomodo
12. Mr Soft
13. White White Dove
14. Sebastian
15. Love Compared With You
16. I Can't Even Touch You
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:46 pm    Post subject: Old Classics Reply with quote

While we're on the subject of old classics, I'm bloody sick of Candi Staton's Young Hearts Run Free turning up on SOT70's nearly every week.

Earth Wind & Fire and The Emotions' Boogie Wonderland used to be on nearly every week when Steve Harley hosted!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll be honest I was aware that they had done a bit more than make me smile ... but because of lazy radio I think I would have only heard of one or two others, I will get Spotify out later and review those others for my own education.

This sort of thing is common place, how many Bowie songs of his numerous hits get played, i'm ok as I have some Bowie albums but people who have never come across him before will only get to hear Fashion or Golden Years on R2, why them I don't know.

Bob Dylan is someone who I think should be forced to hear if only for the lyrics is never played and if it is then Lay Lady Lay is about it.

Don't get me started on Joy Division, New Order Talking Heads Dr Feelgood, etc etc
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

undiscovered wrote:
how many Bowie songs of his numerous hits get played, i'm ok as I have some Bowie albums but people who have never come across him before will only get to hear Fashion or Golden Years on R2, why them I don't know.


I do agree. I saw Bowie play smallish venues several times during his "Man Who Sold The World", "Hunky Dory" and "Ziggy Stardust" years (his best, in my view) yet when do we ever hear stuff from any of those three wonderful albums? Ziggy Stardust, in particular, is one of the best rock albums of the 70s (perhaps even of all time) yet its contents are almost completely ignored.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, Avid, I don't think I've EVER heard Lay Lady Lay on Radio 2 (or any other bland radio station) apart from on chart countdowns of course.

In fact there's not enough Dylan played anyway. My favourite record of all time is Like A Rolling Stone, but that's six minutes long and therefore far too controversial for twee little daytime Radio 2. Ken Bruce would have a heart attack if Gary Bones chose that. Far too macho.

Colin, I agree, Bowie's best years were the early ones, though I prefer Aladdin Sane to Ziggy Stardust, which, if Radio 2 is anything to go by, only has two songs on it: Starman and Suffragette City.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schizoidman wrote:
Colin, I agree, Bowie's best years were the early ones, though I prefer Aladdin Sane to Ziggy Stardust, which, if Radio 2 is anything to go by, only has two songs on it: Starman and Suffragette City.


Interestingly, I saw Bowie play a rather lacklustre gig at Torquay Town Hall (as was) in his Aladdin Sane era and I guess that's had a negative impact on my appreciation for the album. I never really got into it as much as I did Ziggy - which I absolutely love, especially when I follow the instruction on the back cover: "To be played at maximum volume"!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trouble is, you lot are so busy NOT listening to Radio 2 that you wouldn't hear this stuff if it was played.

And I'm sure that it is. Anything by the UK and US major aritists and bands which appears on their Greatest Hits, Best Of... call them what you will collections gets played. Like A Rolling Stone could easily be played for Ken's loo break after Popmaster.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like A Rolling Stone COULD get played whilst Ken empties his bladder but it never is. It's always that War Of The Worlds rubbish or MacArthur Park--which is a superb song by the way.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RockitRon wrote:
Trouble is, you lot are so busy NOT listening to Radio 2 that you wouldn't hear this stuff if it was played.


Well, er, yes................. but people are responsible for programming, and it's programming that has suffered at the hands of lazy, inimaginative people. It's that which encourages people like me to seek out other sources of audible entertainment.

It could be so much better. Unfortunately, it all gets so much worse with every new day.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RockitRon: you say that anything that appears on a Greatest Hits/Best Of will be played on R2. But that's the problem! Producers are too lazy, stupid and arrogant to consider lesser known tracks that don't appear on the compilations.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ColinB wrote:
Cockney Rebel was one of the best touring bands who played college gigs up and down the country in the 70s. They were very, very good. Alas, "Come Up And See Me" is all they're remembered for, thanks to the laziness of radio music producers. It's much the same story with Mott The Hoople; they're known to the masses only for "All The Young Dudes" - which was the result of their collaboration with David Bowie - but before that breakthrough single they also toured extensively and were a fabulous rock band. Ian Hunter could really belt 'em out and the band always produced a great set. We had both bands at our college several times and they never failed to please the crowd.

I bet if you asked the likes of Gary Bones to programme a Mott The Hoople track into the KB show, he'd choose "Dudes". However, I bet if you asked somebody like David Jensen over on Planet Rock, you'd get a much more interesting selection.


I saw both Cockney Rebel (supported by Be Bop Deluxe) and Mott the Hoople (supported by Queen) in the 70s and they were both superb (and of course Steve Harley was absolutely gorgeous in his prime). Sebastian was one of my favourite Cockney Rebel songs, but I don't think it was ever a single. We used to think it was hilarious to sing 'All the way from Uxbridge' rather than 'All the way from Memphis' at school discos (I was a southerner in those days). Happy memories!
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preraphaeliteangel wrote:
I saw both Cockney Rebel (supported by Be Bop Deluxe)...


Yes! BeBop Deluxe, headed by the amazing Bill Nelson. Another great band of the 70s. They played some fantastic gigs. I have an album of theirs on vinyl - must dig it out. (I'm now singing "She's a maid in heaven..." to myself. Oh dear).

preraphaeliteangel wrote:
.......and Mott the Hoople (supported by Queen) in the 70s...


Wow. And I saw that tour to. They played at Plymouth Guildhall - a mainstay on the UK circuit at the time. The pre-"Bohemian Rhapsody" Queen was totally shocking; I'd never seen or heard anything like it. Marvellous.

preraphaeliteangel wrote:
Sebastian was one of my favourite Cockney Rebel songs, but I don't think it was ever a single.


You're right. It preceded "Come Up And See Me". It's probably my favourite Cockney Rebel song, actually.
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ColinB wrote:
Yes! BeBop Deluxe, headed by the amazing Bill Nelson. Another great band of the 70s. They played some fantastic gigs. I have an album of theirs on vinyl - must dig it out. (I'm now singing "She's a maid in heaven..." to myself. Oh dear)


Radcliffe and Maconie played Maid in Heaven a few weeks ago - just to tie in with the Radcliffe and Maconie thread. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BeBop Deluxe's Ships in the Night is a classic. Bill Nelson is the best pop act to come out of Wakefield - mind you the others we had were Black Lace, Brotherhood of Man and Jane McDonald.
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undiscovered wrote:
I'll be honest I was aware that they had done a bit more than make me smile ... but because of lazy radio I think I would have only heard of one or two others, I will get Spotify out later and review those others for my own education.

This sort of thing is common place, how many Bowie songs of his numerous hits get played, i'm ok as I have some Bowie albums but people who have never come across him before will only get to hear Fashion or Golden Years on R2, why them I don't know.

Bob Dylan is someone who I think should be forced to hear if only for the lyrics is never played and if it is then Lay Lady Lay is about it.

Don't get me started on Joy Division, New Order Talking Heads Dr Feelgood, etc etc
Jonathan Ross used to play a different one every week on his Saturday programme .......used to be some good music on that
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jonathan Ross used to play a different one every week on his Saturday programme .......used to be some good music on that


The problem with Ross is that he's seemingly obsessed with Bowie to the exclusion of other stuff. I remember, a couple of years back, him reading out an email in which somebody requested a 70s track by another really good touring band of the time called Stackridge. And what was his and Andy's response? They'd never heard of Stackridge..........

......... so they played another Bowie track instead.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:28 am    Post subject: Old Classics Reply with quote

Schizoidman, I noticed another Gary Bones favourite, Billy Joel's 'Scenes From An Italian Restaurant' (just the piano break)turn up in 'Miranda'!

We've never had Bob Dylan's 'Hurricane' for Ken's toilet break, by the way. 'Lily, Rosemary and The Jack Of Hearts' has been played on Radcliffe and Maconie's show, though I can't forget Radcliffe telling of his kids joining in on '...and the Jack of Hearts!' when he plays it to them on car journeys.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:32 am    Post subject: Old Classics Reply with quote

Graham B, thanks for the Be Bop De Luxe reference! By the way, do you think of Bill Nelson's 'Do You Dream In Colour' when the Lindor ad is on TV (slogan: 'Do you dream in chocolate?')?

A shame about Jonathan Ross cueing up yet another Bowie track as Andy Davies (no relation to the Andy Davies of Stackridge) had never heard of Stackridge - D'OH!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: Old Classics Reply with quote

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A shame about Jonathan Ross cueing up yet another Bowie track as Andy Davies (no relation to the Andy Davies of Stackridge) had never heard of Stackridge - D'OH!


I'd completely overlooked the "Andy Davies" connection. Well spotted.
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The problem with Ross is that he's seemingly obsessed with Bowie to the exclusion of other stuff. I remember, a couple of years back, him reading out an email in which somebody requested a 70s track by another really good touring band of the time called Stackridge. And what was his and Andy's response? They'd never heard of Stackridge..........

......... so they played another Bowie track instead.

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.These records have been flogged to death on R2 for years,



So at least Jonathan and his sidekick played an alternative to the norm, even if he was obsessed with Bowie...I emailed the programme myself protesting at a Bowie track every week .....much as I love his music......it was annoying,but in a different way..... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So at least Jonathan and his sidekick played an alternative to the norm, even if he was obsessed with Bowie...I emailed the programme myself protesting at a Bowie track every week .....much as I love his music......it was annoying,but in a different way..... Twisted Evil


I always liked the music played on the JR show on Saturdays, I laways thought it would be nice to play such music on the week shows, but I maybe peeing in the wind with that sort of suggestion until then I will moan a lot but not listen that often
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becky sharp wrote:
So at least Jonathan and his sidekick played an alternative to the norm, even if he was obsessed with Bowie...I emailed the programme myself protesting at a Bowie track every week .....much as I love his music......it was annoying,but in a different way..... Twisted Evil


I always liked the music played on the JR show on Saturdays, I laways thought it would be nice to play such music on the week shows, but I maybe peeing in the wind with that sort of suggestion until then I will moan a lot but not listen that often
Me too,Dis ....I first heard Cigarettes and Chocolate Milk on there by Rufus Wainwright when he was a relative unknown,prompting me to look him up and buy his album Poses.

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I remember hearing "Do you love me " by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds on one Saturday, couldn't believe my luck
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JR played some good records which sadly we don't hear elsewhere on R2.

A pity about his sidekick, I don't miss him Rolling Eyes
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it was his sidekick that picked the music, I think Andy should get another job on R2 he was a good producer music wise. I just would get him to do the quizzes
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it was his sidekick that picked the music, I think Andy should get another job on R2 he was a good producer music wise. I just would get him to do the quizzes


The trouble (for Andy) is that he now lives with his wife and young child in Andalucia and isn't best positioned to take on a regular Radio 2 gig. He used to make a return flight from Malaga on Easyjet to do the Ross show.

If I were in his shoes, I know where I'd rather be.....
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it was his sidekick that picked the music, I think Andy should get another job on R2 he was a good producer music wise. I just would get him to do the quizzes


OK then he should have just kept quiet in between Very Happy
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OK then he should have just kept quiet in between Very Happy


that I will have to agree with
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Becky: I too got annoyed by Ross and his giggling sycophantic sidekick playing Bowie on every show (nothing wrong with Bowie of course).

But it goes to show that presenters can or do have a say in the music played. The consensus rightly or wrongly seems to be that the music is chosen by the producer (eg Gary Bones on Ken Bruce's show).
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Oops, there was me yesterday saying R2 never play Dylan, and Jeremy Vine plays Positively 4th Street today!

Perhaps they do read these boards.
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preraphaeliteangel wrote:


Sebastian was one of my favourite Cockney Rebel songs, but I don't think it was ever a single.


Quick trawl through my long-unplayed 45 collection reveals that it was the B side to "Mr. Raffles". I was a bit of a fan myself in the day; saw them do "Judy Teen" on TOTP and instantly liked it.

Said trawl also made me think I can't be the only one to hoard a load of old scratched singles that'll only move again once I'm in a box! Wink
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I've got about 300 vinyl singles, mainly from the 60s and 70s, which sadly I never play as most of them are on various CD compilations. Don't think I have anything by Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel though.

I would never get rid of them though.
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Yes, I feel the same. I have many more albums than singles but the other day we were poring though our oldies and my wife dug out her scratchy copy of "Je T'aime Moi Non Plus" by Jane Birkin and Serge Gainsborough. She remembered that this record got her kicked out of her French class at school after being asked at the end of a previous lesson to bring in something French at the next lesson. So she took in the above record, which her matronly teacher hadn't heard.

On playing the record the teacher was disgusted. All the girls in the class fell about in fits of giggles and my wife (who was only in her mid-teens at the time, I should add!) was kicked out unceremoniously.

She has the record on a CD collection but wants me to digitise the actual disc "for sentimental reasons". Bizarrely, she wants me to try and get rid of the pops and crackles. I'm tempted to ask why - but I'm dealing with a woman here!
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