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Ian Robinson · Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:06 pm Post subject:

Does it matter if iPlayer hits are added to the RAJARs as long as the bosses know who's listening?

Rachel · Guest

RAJAR is a complicated statistical analysis of data collected from a controlled set of people. Just adding up the I-player hits wouldn’t allow for accurate extrapolation of the data. It would however give a deadly accurate indication of absolute listener numbers for I-player only, but in the whole scheme of things I-player hits are so few in number compared to the total number of listeners across all listening methods that for now at least they are unlikely to make much difference to the published listening figures.

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colby · Joined: 06 Feb 2009 Posts: 1216

Surely the whole "audience research" thing needs a complete rethink. As more and more viewers and listeners rely less on real-time, linear viewing and more on downloads, simple time-shifting or interrupted streaming, surely the statistics become meaningless?

Collecting iPlayer stats means that an absolute count can be made of downloads - in addition to providing a load of other info about where the file was downloaded to IP addresses, other user profiling and demographic info linked to the cookies on the user's computer (etc), whether it was played in a continuous stream or whether it was viewed at all.

However, once the access to "television" and "radio" programming moves in the direction of automated download of the most recent editions/episodes - such as with Sky+ or even Apple TV (using iTunes at the core) - we're into Podcast territory. Once that happens we can move stuff between different devices like iPhones and iPods - and then what?

Interestingly, the rapid take-up of Sky+ and Sky+HD means that it's now actually much easier to track precisely what people's viewing patterns are simply by returning a log of the data their "display device" (eg decoder box and digital television display) is handling at any one time, but the collection of data regarding how many people viewed a production, what they viewed it on and where they were when they viewed might be just as relevant. So how do we track the fact that a person watched the latest edition of Doctor Who on her iPhone with her best mate whilst they were at 35,000 feet en route to their holiday destination?

When I'm travelling, I playlist a load of podcasts from the BBC and elsewhere that have been downloaded automatically in iTunes on my Mac and I dump them over to my iPod. But what if I end up deleting some of them without listening? Unless someone asks me specific questions personally the stats can only determine what I downloaded and when (and the IP address I used to download from, of course!).

So how reliable is any of the data connected if the way we view TV (and listen to radio) so radically different to the way it was even 20 years ago?
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Briant · Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject:

How do they interpolate that twenty million people watched Susan Boyle on TV last week? Do they ask a few people and multiply that figure by what ITV estimate?

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Mark Mayhew · Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 2897

Anyhow bringing this thread back to where we started-Richard Allinson back on BBC Radio 2 very soon-counting the hours down now.

Are you excited?/Have you heard the new adverts on Radio 2 announcing his return.

The future looks bright from a BBC broadcasting perspective.

Allinson rocks-you bet he does.

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Mark Mayhew · Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 2897

What better way to start a holiday than listening to Richard on the way to the airport.

Hope you are going somewhere nice and that you have a great time.

Remember on your return to the UK to use the iplayer feature to catch up on Richard's shows while you have been away.

MadeinSurrey · Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:37 am Post subject:

Mark, are you for real? Do you really love Richard Allinson that much? Anybody else light your candle?
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MadeinSurrey · Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:30 am Post subject:

I suspected as much! Or maybe he's related to him?
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Rachel · Guest

and I'm a Captain in the Swiss Guard.... Smile

MadeinSurrey · Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:07 am Post subject:

Do you enjoy Toblerone Rachel Wink

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Fred · Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:43 am Post subject:

RockitRon · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 7646

Blimey! He looks a bit fierce, doesn't he? A bit Bungalow Bill.
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Minx · Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 11:32 am Post subject:

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mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

Caught his first show on I - Player fantastic music, and loved him playing Kate Bush tracks.

Mark Mayhew · Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 2897

Yes, Richard has played some very good music during his first 2 shows.

During his time on Radio Oxford with the Allinson Albums I wrote to the BBC a couple of times suggesting the format would be very good for a wider audience on mainstream radio-it seems some of the format/features have followed Richard to his new shows.

mark occomore · Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 9955 Location: UK

According to Radio Times Rich is covering for Chris on 15th June for one day only.

Mark Mayhew · Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 2897

Lovely-great news.

Fred · Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject:

Radio 2 website confirms this as well: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00l2j7j

Richard Allinson on the radio and I won't have to listen to it via the iPlayer either!
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davem · Joined: 13 Mar 2009 Posts: 115

I do agree with that he did a fine job when johnny walker was off on suspension Very Happy