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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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16+ upwards, but there are younger. I doubt he will go back too TV fulltime.


Well they should be listening to Radio 1 not Radio 2.

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Helen May wrote:
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16+ upwards, but there are younger. I doubt he will go back too TV fulltime.


Well they should be listening to Radio 1 not Radio 2.

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They can listen to what they like - it's called choice! Same way as if you don't like a particular presenter you have the choice to switch off the radio or retune to something you do like!
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They can listen to what they like - it's called choice! Same way as if you don't like a particular presenter you have the choice to switch off the radio or retune to something you do like!


Of course people of any age can listen to what they like, but that isn't the issue. The issue is whether R2 is intentionally trying to increase its appeal to "younger listeners" at the expense of serving its core remit. This is something that the BBC Trust has noted.

Anyway, as I've said before, I don't buy the assumption that Evans is appealing to more younger listeners (as in the 20-something bracket); I know of no people in that age band who rate Evans at all, and I come into contact with lots of people in their 20s and 30s.
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The point is Shaky that Radio 2 should not be appealing to a 16 year old.

When you were 16 would you really want to listen to the same station as your parents? I very much doubt it!

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Helen May wrote:
The point is Shaky that Radio 2 should not be appealing to a 16 year old.


More to the point, it's really not allowed to actively chase that particular sector of the listening audience. The "middle-gound" between Radio 1 and Radio 2 listeners is probably in the late-20s / early-30s demographic. It's definitely not teens, though if teenage listeners happen to find the station worth listening to that's their choice.

Personally, I think that if kids are phoning in to Evans at breakfast, it's more likely that their parents are listening whilst getting the family members ready for their day ahead and, by default, the kids are listening too (poor things!). On that basis, kids phoning in to Evans are doing so because their parents have egged them on to do it.

I can't imagine kids aged 9 or 10 or even 16 saying to their mums "Mum, please can we retune from Classic FM or Radio 4 to Radio 2 because we'd really, really like to listen to Chris Evans? All our friends are saying that it's an absolute must!".

And if they do they probably need counselling!!!!!! Smile
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I'm wondering if the way we understand demographics needs to have a bit of a shake-up. I'm 26, and more and more I'm seeing friends who are my age and younger who are sharing their musical taste with their parents - and the education works both ways. It's therefore never a surprise to people that teenagers and the baby boomers listen to shows such as Radcliffe & Maconie on Radio 2 - it isn't about chasing the younger listeners who are interested in new music anymore, because being interested in new music is now a sign of the open-minded, and mature muso.

I don't think Evans is chasing the young listener either - his show may have silly features, but the soul of the show remains, like Wogan, with his listeners and the day-to-day mundanities of modern and adult life. Yes, young people may listen too - but why listen to Radio 1 - i.e. who wants to be treated like a kid? If Radio 2 *sells* to young people, can it not be that it is more to do with today's young people rebelling against the old-fashioned and patronising demographics that the markets still think is what matters - because, well, they still do when the aim is to sell other products.

Yeah, okay, I don't like Alan Carr or Paul O Grady - but I've never cared for Steve Wright either. I wonder if there's a temptation on these forums to label what we don't like as childish - and I may have done it myself - but to think Radio 2 is pandering to the teenagers is, in my opinion, ridiculous.

Saying that, let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Jazz, swing, and american standards may be thought as unfashionable but to cut back even the shows that are available in the Sunday backwaters, is not on either. Radio 2 should be a broad church if it's to make a contribution to broadcasting.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
mark occomore wrote:

16+ upwards, but there are younger. I doubt he will go back too TV fulltime.


Well they should be listening to Radio 1 not Radio 2.

H


Radio 1 maybe set out for younger listeners, but older listeners tune to the station. There is a choice on Radio 2 where younger and old listeners can tune in. Why remove a selected few because someone likes Chris Evans who is attracting a different range. Breakfast has moved forward. Radio 2 is moving forward. It's not going backwards. I still say breakfast is very healthy with the listeners. I would also like to see a lot of the other figures for some of the stations shows.
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Mark there is no problem if listeners of any age listen to radio 2.

The problems start when a station starts to pitch its shows at an age that is not within its remit. It is obvious with the content of the Breakfast show that they want younger listeners. This it what is wrong and it is going agains the Trustees wishes.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
The point is Shaky that Radio 2 should not be appealing to a 16 year old.

When you were 16 would you really want to listen to the same station as your parents? I very much doubt it!

H


Dear me, So older people shouldn't be playing popmaster? Why are students phoning or emailing in on the Jeremy vine show? Thats wrong. Lets stop that now.. Rolling Eyes Lets have Desmond Carrington presenting the afternoon show. Might as well put Brian Matthews on Drivetime. Now I'am being stupid, but this sounds like what most people want. Take the station backwards. They shouldn't play new music. The station is playing new music, and having a lot of shows which have features attracted a different range of listener. It's moving forward. Live with it or just tune too something else. Why not try out Smooth Radio on DAB, ( From October a new lineup) they want to try and chase Radio 2. Hear it for yourself to see it happens and what you think? Or stick to Radio 2 and your favourite shows. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Helen May wrote:
Mark there is no problem if listeners of any age listen to radio 2.

The problems start when a station starts to pitch its shows at an age that is not within its remit. It is obvious with the content of the Breakfast show that they want younger listeners. This it what is wrong and it is going agains the Trustees wishes.

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One thing Helen, I can see is the TOG" thing has gone at breakfast. Wogan has pitched that up on Sundays. Whether it just dosn't fit in with Chris Show, it's still faded away. We all knew that was going to happen.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark occomore wrote:
Helen May wrote:
Mark there is no problem if listeners of any age listen to radio 2.

The problems start when a station starts to pitch its shows at an age that is not within its remit. It is obvious with the content of the Breakfast show that they want younger listeners. This it what is wrong and it is going agains the Trustees wishes.

H


One thing Helen, I can see is the TOG" thing has gone at breakfast. Wogan has pitched that up on Sundays. Whether it just dosn't fit in with Chris Show, it's still faded away. We all knew that was going to happen.


Mark it would be decidedly odd if TOGS became COGS, that was ever likely to happen as you say, but perhaps not for the reasons you think.

Whether you loved it or hated it, Wogan had a genuine rapport with listeners "of a certain age" which Evans will never achieve because his style is diametrically opposed to Wogan's. It is partly because of this that so many people have reacted so strongly to the changeover.

I've said before, I like to be spoken to rather than be talked at. I'm 50, and in common with many people of my age I don't like pushy, rude or egotistical people in any walk of life, and I'm afraid Evans ticks all three boxes for me. Recently his show seems to have become a series of trailers for silly videos on the BBC website, and the contrived one-upmanship thing with Johnny "who the hell is he?" Saunders is getting as cringe-making as Wogan's persistent baiting of John Marsh in the latter days of his show.

One other thing that puts me off Evans is that when something which he thinks is funny happens in the studio, it seems to get repeated ad nauseam until he thinks we're all laughing. Wogan at least had the knack of making me feel like he was sharing the gag with you, rather than forcing it down your throat. Graham Norton's rather good at that, maybe it's an Irish thing?
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Dear me, So older people shouldn't be playing popmaster? Why are students phoning or emailing in on the Jeremy vine show? Thats wrong. Lets stop that now.. Rolling Eyes Lets have Desmond Carrington presenting the afternoon show. Might as well put Brian Matthews on Drivetime. Now I'am being stupid, but this sounds like what most people want. Take the station backwards. They shouldn't play new music. The station is playing new music, and having a lot of shows which have features attracted a different range of listener. It's moving forward. Live with it or just tune too something else. Why not try out Smooth Radio on DAB, ( From October a new lineup) they want to try and chase Radio 2. Hear it for yourself to see it happens and what you think? Or stick to Radio 2 and your favourite shows. Very Happy


None of that has any bearing on the point being discussed, Mark. In fact, I'm not quite at all sure what you're getting at!
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mark occomore wrote:

Now I'am being stupid,


Yes you are Mark

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mark occomore wrote:
One thing Helen, I can see is the TOG" thing has gone at breakfast. Wogan has pitched that up on Sundays. Whether it just dosn't fit in with Chris Show, it's still faded away. We all knew that was going to happen.


I told you that on the R2 board last week...................... TOGS are to do with Terry, nobody in their right mind would expect them to be part of Evans' show.

Do you honestly think that is all we are missing? Rolling Eyes

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mark occomore wrote:
One thing Helen, I can see is the TOG" thing has gone at breakfast. Wogan has pitched that up on Sundays. Whether it just dosn't fit in with Chris Show, it's still faded away. We all knew that was going to happen.



They haven't gone away, they still exist. It's just that now they feel disenfranchised.

The so-called "TOGS" are a (very large) proportion of listeners to a radio station that purports to serve their interests yet also sets out to alienate them by replacing one estabished, successful presenter with one who is egotistical, gobby, selfish and downright irritating presenter who is incapable of creating a radio programme solo and absolutely needs the support of a band of sycophants to have any chance of making it work. As a radio presenter he's hopeless; as a circus ring-master he's marginally better.

This notion that everyone, regardless of age, wants mindless "fun, fun' fun" and drivel of the kind dished up by Evans each morning is one that has to be seriously challenged.
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Nick's post upthread is great. I think this younger vs. older listeners argument is somewhat simplistic. I'm 35 and have been listening to Radio 2 for over 10 years. I know lots of people of a similar age who listened to Wogan aren't so keen on Chris.

"Young people" are into allsorts of music nowadays, and it's not so shameful to like what your parents like. The way music exists on the internet makes it easier to discover a "new" band that's actually decades old - no longer are they just dusty plastic on a shelf.

So I think people tune into Radio 2 for the broad selection of music - which is above and beyond what they get on commercial stations or chart shows. So Evans playlist is fine (relatively - the whole music policy of the station needs overhauling) but it's the man himself who can be an irritant, no matter what age you are.
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"Young people" are into allsorts of music nowadays, and it's not so shameful to like what your parents like.


That's very true. My son is 26 and only yesterday asked if he could come round and rip some of my Hendrix, Zeppelin, Beatles, Stones, Who etc etc CDs into his iPhone in order to have some travelling music whilst driving up the Pacific Highway from LA to SF later this month. He's even taking some Beach Boys (he loves Pet Sounds!) The Eagles and Jackson Browne to keep "in the right spirit".

He loves much of the same music I listen to, but there's no way he'll listen to Radio 2; he just can't stand what he calls "cheesy" presentation styles. Mind you, he doesn't listen to much radio at all these days - he reckons "it's all crap"!

His musical taste is certainly eclectic - he loved the recent Milton Keynes Bowl gig of The Prodigy a couple of weeks back!
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Ian Robinson wrote:
Nick's post upthread is great. I think this younger vs. older listeners argument is somewhat simplistic. I'm 35 and have been listening to Radio 2 for over 10 years. I know lots of people of a similar age who listened to Wogan aren't so keen on Chris.

"Young people" are into allsorts of music nowadays, and it's not so shameful to like what your parents like. The way music exists on the internet makes it easier to discover a "new" band that's actually decades old - no longer are they just dusty plastic on a shelf.

So I think people tune into Radio 2 for the broad selection of music - which is above and beyond what they get on commercial stations or chart shows. So Evans playlist is fine (relatively - the whole music policy of the station needs overhauling) but it's the man himself who can be an irritant, no matter what age you are.


Hi Ian

I was 28 when I first dipped into Radio 2 as like you I just wanted to hear a wide selection of all types of music. Also it was great to have so much info dished out on what they were playing, which sadly rarely happens on Radio 2.

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mark occomore wrote:
Dear me, So older people shouldn't be playing popmaster? Why are students phoning or emailing in on the Jeremy vine show? Thats wrong. Lets stop that now.. Rolling Eyes Lets have Desmond Carrington presenting the afternoon show. Might as well put Brian Matthews on Drivetime. Now I'am being stupid, but this sounds like what most people want. Take the station backwards. They shouldn't play new music. The station is playing new music, and having a lot of shows which have features attracted a different range of listener. It's moving forward. Live with it or just tune too something else. Why not try out Smooth Radio on DAB, ( From October a new lineup) they want to try and chase Radio 2. Hear it for yourself to see it happens and what you think? Or stick to Radio 2 and your favourite shows. Very Happy


None of that has any bearing on the point being discussed, Mark. In fact, I'm not quite at all sure what you're getting at!


Nothing wrong with desmond Carrington or Brian Matthew; what is wrong is that certain people on here mention these names and imply that they're relics from another age, of little or no relevance to R2 today, or as Mark says, taking the station backwards. Nonsense. Mark - they're two of the best presenters on this station and more than add to the diversity of shows and music played on the station. What's so wrong with the idea of having one of these fine presenters on a daytime show, instead of chris Evans, Zoe Ball, Chris Tarrant, Simon Mayo, or Tarbuck? Surely Desmond or Brian would add diversity to the station in a prime slot? I guess your answer would once again show that you're missing the point constantly raised on here about the station's REMIT.

Sorry to rant but it's annoying when people here miss the point about what Radio 2 is, what its remit is, and why it's NOT Smooth fm or another one of those ghastly commercial stations.
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Very well said igs....
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Mark,

You need to stop insisting that there is nothing wrong with Radio 2 at the moment when there very clearly is.

It's nothing to do with the music. In between the inane drivel and the Groundhog Day format of Chris Evan's show there is actually a great selection of music being played and it's the same across the schedules.

I can't understand why Chris Tarrant was bought in for two weeks when he already has a high profile career elsewhere. I'm sure a lot of people who listen to him on commercial radio like his manic over the top approach but it doesn't go down well the majority of the R2 faithful.

Radio 2 need to stop competing for listeners. Why should it matter how many people listen as long as those who are listening are happy? The Wogan/Bruce/Vine/Wright/Walker schedule was for me the best by far and while I accept that presenters must move on - not necessarily with their approval at who they are being replaced with - surely it can't be so hard to find more appropriate replacements.

Listener figures go and up and down for sure but it's a sure fire bet that when Evans loses listeners then others will by default as listeners find alternative stations. Equally, as Evans gains new listeners then other presenters may gain listeners by default but to be honest, anyone who hasn't discovered Bruce, Vine, Wrighty and Mayo by now probably never will.
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Helen May wrote:
Ian Robinson wrote:
Nick's post upthread is great. I think this younger vs. older listeners argument is somewhat simplistic. I'm 35 and have been listening to Radio 2 for over 10 years. I know lots of people of a similar age who listened to Wogan aren't so keen on Chris.

"Young people" are into allsorts of music nowadays, and it's not so shameful to like what your parents like. The way music exists on the internet makes it easier to discover a "new" band that's actually decades old - no longer are they just dusty plastic on a shelf.

So I think people tune into Radio 2 for the broad selection of music - which is above and beyond what they get on commercial stations or chart shows. So Evans playlist is fine (relatively - the whole music policy of the station needs overhauling) but it's the man himself who can be an irritant, no matter what age you are.


Hi Ian

I was 28 when I first dipped into Radio 2 as like you I just wanted to hear a wide selection of all types of music. Also it was great to have so much info dished out on what they were playing, which sadly rarely happens on Radio 2.

H


And I agree with both of you on this! Smile
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Helen May wrote:
I was 28 when I first dipped into Radio 2 as like you I just wanted to hear a wide selection of all types of music.


Only a decade or so older than the people you say shouldn't be tuning in to Radio 2 in your earlier post! Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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The difference was I didn't expect it to be almost the same as Radio 1 or commercial radio nor did I complain when it wasn't like they do today. I knew it was geared to older listeners.

I also said I dipped in at 28! I remember weekends I went back to Radio 1, but it was the weekday shows, JY for instance, which I found informative and entertaining at the same time.

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Helen May wrote:
The difference was I didn't expect it to be almost the same as Radio 1 or commercial radio nor did I complain when it wasn't like they do today. I knew it was geared to older listeners.

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And how do you know what younger people tuning in today want???
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Well it's always the younger (as they give their age in various posts) who do the complaining about the established presenters and shows on the station.

In my younger days the station never catered for the 35 year olds that is for sure. In fact I rarely used to say I listened to Radio 2 as it wasn't the done thing. Radio 1 catered for our age group fairly adequately, but I found I wanted something a bit more stimulating. Things have changed though.

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At the end of the day people listen to what they like. If someone likes Radio 1 they listen to that, if someone prefers Radio 2 they listen to that. If they don't like something they can find something they do like - all this demographics stuff is bull****! Of course it seems that if people don't like Radio 2 they can come onto internet forums and bleat on & on about it.....
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Seems just because we don't like CE you accuse us of talking bull****.

No one is saying people of whatever age should or should not listen to Radio 2. All we ARE saying is if they are not within the age remit they have no right to complain when they don't like or expect things to change for them.

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Shaky Fan wrote:
Of course it seems that if people don't like Radio 2 they can come onto internet forums and bleat on & on about it.....


That's a very good idea. Hmmmm. Where shall I start? Tell you what - I'll start with the self-centred idiot that's hosting Radio 2 at weekday breakfast times.
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Of course it seems that if people don't like Radio 2 they can come onto internet forums and bleat on & on about it.....


I think it's called a democracy Shaky. You know the kind of thing.... you have a view, you have a right to express it, people who don't share it don't have to read it - a bit like the mantra the pro CE brigade like to bleat.... don't listen if you don't like it. And we're not listening.... but for God's sake don't expect us not to bleat about it too. Being deprived of breakfast listening is one thing, bleating about it quite something else. Wink
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