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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SantaFefan wrote:
Jedi, as I mentioned elswhere, I managed to get the very last post on that thread ( by pure luck ) and it was removed in minutes! Laughing
I've copied my "smack on the wrist" from Big Brother below so you can see my very long and, in depth reaction to Looney's opening twaddle...


Dear BBC message board contributor,

Thank you for contributing to a BBC message board. Unfortunately blah blah blah...

Subject:
Chris Evans - R2's most talented presenter?

Posting:
Cobblers!

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Dear BBC message board moderators,

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Bovine Excrement?

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W***ers!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a fantastically worded and well thought out reply SantaFefan. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barty wrote:
I really wish there was a way to save the threads, especially the important ones like the one on Radcliffe & Maconie.

Yer tiz: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio2/F14126215?thread=7409350&post=95714981#p95714981
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did anyone miss the usual barrage of witless threads and deleted responses on Sunday/Monday?

No, neither did I. Life seems so much more civilised here.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree Ally
By the way did anyone notice that the moderators on the BBC Board used to be at their worst on a Sunday for some reason
I never did work out the reason
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funnily enough a certain poster seemed to go into overdrive on a Sunday, maybe he had a Sunday job?????

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ally Gory wrote:
Did anyone miss the usual barrage of witless threads and deleted responses on Sunday/Monday?

No, neither did I. Life seems so much more civilised here.


It was fun, in a perverted sort of way, to check out the MBs on a Monday just to see what crazy ideas Scott had come up with over the weekend, but was starting to repeat himself rather too often, not that Peta ever minded.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ruddlescat wrote:
I agree Ally
By the way did anyone notice that the moderators on the BBC Board used to be at their worst on a Sunday for some reason
I never did work out the reason


I think the boards moderation has always been contracted out during evenings and weekends.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moonraker wrote:
Ally Gory wrote:
Did anyone miss the usual barrage of witless threads and deleted responses on Sunday/Monday?

No, neither did I. Life seems so much more civilised here.


It was fun, in a perverted sort of way, to check out the MBs on a Monday just to see what crazy ideas Scott had come up with over the weekend, but was starting to repeat himself rather too often, not that Peta ever minded.


No, Peta only minded when someone pointed out the vapidity and repetition of the threads being posted.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure if anyone posted a link to the old Message Board, closed at the end of 06, so, if not, here's one for those who're interested:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio2/F2142831
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Col - see, I told you how much I used to enjoy your spats with Lonegroover. I even wrote a thank you post in 2006! Laughing


http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio2/F2142831?thread=3735265
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an absolute scream reading those old threads. Laughing

Does anyone remember Kolinko? He was another one whose posts used to have me laughing out loud. Let's just say he wasn't exactly Steve Wright's biggest fan lol:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio2/F2142831?thread=3634741&skip=0&show=20
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soulsister wrote:
Col - see, I told you how much I used to enjoy your spats with Lonegroover. I even wrote a thank you post in 2006! Laughing


http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio2/F2142831?thread=3735265


Wow - I missed that one on the day! Thanks Soulie!!! Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Radio 2 MB Reply with quote

davem wrote:
I do not post on here anymore but i do browse but i find im banned from the R2 message board so here i go. I have a question its probably unanswerable but who or what group is Scott Nelson? He has a facebook page that declares he is proud to be an Internet troll but is at present on 'news and views' is arguing he is not. He is supposed to be post moderated but posts the same thing time and again with no hint of 'peta' stepping on him as anyone who breaks the seemingly extremely elastic house rules. Are the postings of scott nelson designed to try out BBC managements 'blue sky thinking' on an unsuspecting public by posting fantasy schedules and getting us to argue the toss thus giving them ideas of hoe to ponce about with the station? Or is it the actions of a moderator who posts totally antaganostic items to stir up controversy thus keeping a pretty stale board active. Another question is do you think 'Scott' has multiple identities on the boards thus giving credence to whoever he/she/ they post? which again points to insider help on the R2 message board.


Some of us have our own ideas and theories about who Scott Nelson is and what his purpose was on the R2MB. The fact that Peta allowed him back on there to run amok, cause havoc, post insulsting and disrespectful items about R2 presenters, and also attacked and insulted other forum members who disagreed with him, makes me conclude that Peta IS Scott Nelson. Other than that, Scott Nelson may be a journalist working for the Daily Mail.

Did Scott Nelson write today's artical in the Daily Mail about Sarah Kennedy?

Perhaps Scott Nelson is the BBC's PR magnet for promoting Chris Evans and Zoe Ball, and denigrating the old guard like Carrington, Jacobs, Titchmarsh, FNIMN etc?

Was Scott's aim to get older listeners liking the younger content?

Anyway, here's Scott's Facebook profile, which he posted the link to on the R2MB:

facebook.com/scottnelson1978
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link to 2006!

Yes it's a hoot reading the threads - how much time did I spend posting on that old forum Shocked

There's the thread introducing R2ok, and we are still here at bizhat! 87,000 postings later Surprised

Ha ha, there's a message from MadeInSurrey saying he was glad to see THE LAST of a certain poster Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Radio 2 MB Reply with quote

The Singing Kettle wrote:
Perhaps Scott Nelson is the BBC's PR magnet for promoting Chris Evans......


Nah. That's Lonegroover's job.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nah. That's Lonegroover's job.


And Dingus83's, and Mollygirl's.

Both wrote provocative and insulting posts to those who criticised Chris Evans - Mollygirl's very first post rudely said I sounded exactly like her dad! Various other posters protested, but the mould was set ...

However, as both frequently congratulated Peta on her posts, they were allowed to run riot and throw insults at will.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Was Scott's aim to get older listeners liking the younger content?


That went well, then, didn't it?!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess it did. We lost Ed Stewart, who was one of my favourites!

Isn't it strange that some of the programmes and DJs Scott Nelson complained about, denigrated and slated have been removed or marginalised?

I guess his greatest achievement is the departure of Sarah Kennedy. After reading her recent interviews, I get the feeling she was forced out the door.

Let's look at who Scott Nelson has succeeded in having removed from R2:

Sarah Kennedy, Ed Stewart, Sheridan Morley, Richard Baker / Your Hundred Best Tunes, Don Maclean, Helen Mayhew, Malcolm Laycock (Scott has issues about him. Next thing, Malcolm's show was tampered with, resulting in his departure), Michael Parkinson.

Desmond Carrington and Russell Davies have been marginalised.

Ken Bruce, Brian Matthew, Alan Titchmarsh, Elaine Paige and David Jacobs had better watch their backs!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I interpreted your comment rather differently from how you intended it, The Singing Kettle.

What I meant was that if it was Scott Nelson's brief to browbeat the older listener into embracing (or at least, tolerating!) the 'younger content', he failed dismally. Many 'older posters' (some gave their age on the boards) simply voted with their feet (or maybe fingers).

When they asked how listening figures were calculated, they were fobbed off with Rajar figures and roundly abused. For my own part, I don't care how the figures were calculated, there were many, many listeners who felt that their default station had been ripped away from them. They were not necessarily fans of Wogan (I certainly wasn't), but as far as they were concerned, Chris Evans's programme was simply unlistenable (to use their own expression).

Zoe Ball was another presenter (I won't call her a 'DJ') foist upon loyal listeners to Radio 2 - but again, any criticism resulted in contemptuous abuse.

That doesn't convert people - they will probably protest for a while, and simply go away.

The BBC doesn't seem to understand that.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Isn't it strange that some of the programmes and DJs Scott Nelson complained about, denigrated and slated have been removed or marginalised


Do you think that Scott Nelson had that much power? Or might it be perhaps that Scott Nelson was authorised to fly a kite, introducing ideas/formats which might eventually come to pass, a softening-up process so that we were unsurprised when it eventually happened?

A bit like politicians talking about tax hikes for petrol, and then we are relieved when it goes up by 5 pence per litre, as opposed to 10 pence.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Scott Nelson was introduced as a way to promote new talent on R2, and to ask for listeners' ideas, opinions and suggestions, then why was he so aggressive? He was very unpleasant, insulting and ageist. In fact, he did himself (or the BBC, if that was his purpose) no favours whatsoever.

There was a cliquey group on the R2MB - led by Peta - which always came to the defence of Chris Evans, Zoe Ball, Jonathan Ross, Alan Carr and Steve Wright. I believe they may be BBC personnel.

I believe that Scott Nelson HAS influenced R2 bosses, particularly Lesley Douglas and Bob Shennan. Funny how some of the agendas on Nelson's 'wish list' materialised!

I'm sure a while ago he suggested Zoe Ball, Paul O'Grady and Alan Carr were introduced. It happened, as well as some of the axings he called for. Even his hero Danny Baker made an appearance at one point!
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If Scott Nelson was introduced as a way to promote new talent on R2, and to ask for listeners' ideas, opinions and suggestions, then why was he so aggressive? He was very unpleasant, insulting and ageist. In fact, he did himself (or the BBC, if that was his purpose) no favours whatsoever.


I can't disagree with that, but perhaps the point is that because he was all of those things above, he evoked a reaction. And even though (or perhaps because) it was a negative reaction, there was then a counter-argument from those in favour.

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There was a cliquey group on the R2MB - led by Peta - which always came to the defence of Chris Evans, Zoe Ball, Jonathan Ross, Alan Carr and Steve Wright. I believe they may be BBC personnel.


And you could be right. Or they could just be fans of the BBC 'talent' mentioned.

I did, however, find it quite strange that the core sycophants were quite aggressive and provocative in their postings. There were other supporters who were quite moderate in their tone.

Sadly, aggression tends to be met with aggression, so perhaps there was a method in the antagonistic approach?

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I believe that Scott Nelson HAS influenced R2 bosses, particularly Lesley Douglas and Bob Shennan. Funny how some of the agendas on Nelson's 'wish list' materialised!


Although I saw many of Scott Nelson's 'wish list' threads, I avoided reading them, so can't speak with any authority. But I would refer you to my hypothesis above - if they were 'kite-flying exercises', that would follow.

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I'm sure a while ago he suggested Zoe Ball, Paul O'Grady and Alan Carr were introduced. It happened, as well as some of the axings he called for. Even his hero Danny Baker made an appearance at one point!


And if he did have anything to do with these appointments, it is my fervent opinion that he should be taken outside at dawn and summarily shot.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its quite noticeable how few of the old Evans heads from the BBC site have come over here
I know Mr Nelson could not anyway but I don't see the likes of Dingus on here and quite frankly I'm glad to see the back of people like that
Intolerance is not something which should be tolerated on any forum
In fact I can't tolerate such behaviour!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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he should be taken outside at dawn and summarily shot.


I'll do it! Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, something isn't right because a lot of Scott Nelson's wishes have materialised. I still think he is somehow connected to R2, probably deployed on various internet forums to provoke reaction and piss off loyal listeners.

I believe his vendettas, rants and abuse against various R2 presenters paid off in his favour (I've already listed those who fell victim to Nelson's wish list).

I remember when he once changed his screen name to 'Jihad against Light Programmes'. Oh, who remembers his 'gas chamber' comment?

It's amazing how R2 allowed its staff to be abused on its MB by Nelson and his cliquey group, of which Peta turned a blind eye to.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Singing Kettle wrote:
I guess it did. We lost Ed Stewart, who was one of my favourites!

Isn't it strange that some of the programmes and DJs Scott Nelson complained about, denigrated and slated have been removed or marginalised?

I guess his greatest achievement is the departure of Sarah Kennedy. After reading her recent interviews, I get the feeling she was forced out the door.

Let's look at who Scott Nelson has succeeded in having removed from R2:

Sarah Kennedy, Ed Stewart, Sheridan Morley, Richard Baker / Your Hundred Best Tunes, Don Maclean, Helen Mayhew, Malcolm Laycock (Scott has issues about him. Next thing, Malcolm's show was tampered with, resulting in his departure), Michael Parkinson.

Desmond Carrington and Russell Davies have been marginalised.

Ken Bruce, Brian Matthew, Alan Titchmarsh, Elaine Paige and David Jacobs had better watch their backs!


That's quite some accusation and you appear to have intimate knowledge of Mr. nelson's movements and actions. The R2 board is shut now, why do you keep on pushing the Scott Nelson agenda?

You have a great memory to know a past Nelson screen name and to say he was the actual direct reason certain R2 presenters and shows were removed/replaced is some statement to make. How do you know that is fact?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was of the understanding Nelson opposed the ever-increasing gay presence on Radio 2 at weekends, leading someone to accuse him of homophobia, so I suggest the conspiracy theories are being stretched a bit too far.

Despite denials of any connection with the BBC, Nelson was certainly indulged to the hilt by Peta and the moderators (good name for a band?) and, considering the lack of sophistication in many of the posts, I don't think there was any grand plan in action, just a a malicious presence or two.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've already said on another thread that when Scott left this forum I promised to him that there would be no repetitive criticisms of him.

Scott will not be happy with the content of this thread. If he asks me to remove any postings I will do so.

Meanwhile I am suspending The Singing Kettle for repeated posting on the subject, and will record this action in the Members' Warnings thread.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John and everyone, forgive me for prolonging this but I have to take issue with your last, though I agree wholeheartedly with your actions in this regard.

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Scott will not be happy with the content of this thread


You're dead wrong there, Scott Nelson's creator will be absolutely delighted with the existence of this thread and its last few posts. He may pretend to be offended to wind you up personally John but he'll be doing cartwheels that his troll is still actively disrupting your board.

All trolls crave attention, feed on the responses when people take him seriously. Ignore them and they waste away.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Walking Dude, and to members who posted PM's.

As I say I've now posted 2 notices in threads, requesting avoidance of discussing former members.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough John, my main problem was with Peta and the moderators anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ally Gory wrote:
Fair enough John, my main problem was with Peta and the moderators anyway.


That's fine by me on this forum Ally Gory.

Peta is a current member here and can post on here to defend herself.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Peta still works for the BBC. I would be surprised if she did appear here to make any comment.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just so long as she can read this thread and see how much we all despised her is good enough for me! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Gibbo I wouldn't say we ALL despise Peta.

Peta, if you are reading this, I was just very disappointed. The service you provided on the R2MB was not good value for the licence payers.

Oh, and it's now a week since I wrote to BBC Communities to remove my suspension from BBC boards. Nothing. I still cannot post on the Radio 3 board.
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Gibbo wrote:
Just so long as she can read this thread and see how much we all despised her is good enough for me! Very Happy


I never despised her personally, but I do think the Admin team that moderated the BBC messageboards was basically incompetent.
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[quote="John W"]Peta, if you are reading this, I was just very disappointed. The service you provided on the R2MB was not good value for the licence payers.[/quote]
Yes, I have to echo that although I think Peta's hands must have been somewhat tied by the powers that be. I did find it terribly frustrating at what I saw as very unfair modding while so many unkind and/or inflammatory posts were allowed to remain.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be nice to hear from Peta. Whatever the reasons she must have known her actions were unpopular and the complaints about moderation WERE justified, whereas, for example, the ageist messages being posted could not be justified, yet Peta chose the hardest route by dealing with so many complaints, suspending so many.

Half the problems could have been dealt with by a single suspension, while the anti-Evans problem could have been dealt with with constructive responses rather than the 'BBC knows best' type of attitude.

By the way Eileen I just cannot figure out why your quotes don't 'work'

I've quoted your quote below, and THAT works Shocked

FleetingEileenM wrote:
John W wrote:
Peta, if you are reading this, I was just very disappointed. The service you provided on the R2MB was not good value for the licence payers.

Yes, I have to echo that although I think Peta's hands must have been somewhat tied by the powers that be. I did find it terribly frustrating at what I saw as very unfair modding while so many unkind and/or inflammatory posts were allowed to remain.

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